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Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by ullalume, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. This information is not correct, and Scott E. Davis is not also Mac Davis. I knew Scott personally, as we both come from the same town in Kansas. He was a singer/songwriter from Garden City, and upon finishing college, he became a member of the Burgundy Street Singers who had some commercial and television appearances in the late 60's, early 70's. Scott wrote the lyrics and music to "Two Sides" and as far as I know, The Carpenters were the only artist to cut the song, other than possibly Scott E. Davis himself. He resides in southern California.
     
  2. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the information, Rena Allison !
    I can only relate two sources of information....

    "...1977’s Passage, features the monumental cover of Klaatu’s
    ‘Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft’ which is too well known
    to feature in our undiscovered gems, but the album also features a
    lovely song written by Scott E. Davis called, Two Sides’.
    You may not have heard of Scott Davis , but among his writing credits
    is ‘In The Ghetto’ memorably made a hit by Elvis;
    he's better known as Mac Davis."
    Source:
    The Carpenters - digging deeper... | uDiscover

    And, another source
    (which, obviously could be in error):
    Mac Davis
     
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  3. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    I found this amusing to read:
    Newsletter #58, March 1978:
    Q: "When recording, why is it that the Carpenters don't use the same musicians as they do on stage?"
    A: "The Carpenters are a duo, not a group.
    The back-up musicians who travel with them were hired mainly for concert tours and personal appearances.
    When Richard and Karen record, studio musicians are hired through the local musician's union.
    If the back-up men are available, or if Richard needs them for special effects, they are hired along
    with the studio musicians."
     
  4. Brian

    Brian Active Member

    Somewhere, I have a video of Bette Midler being interviewed on the Australian music show, 'Countdown', in about 1977 or 1978. She actually devotes about a minute of the interview to talking about Karen Carpenter. She says something like she has always had a lot of respect and admiration for what Karen does, and thinks she has a wonderful voice, but that she can't marry the thought of that beautiful voice with the idea of drum playing. It is obvious that she regards the 'ribbing' that she has done of Karen as a bit of fun and that she believes that Karen has taken it on the chin. You don't pick up any malice or contempt towards Karen at all from the interview, especially with the praise and compliments. One day, I'll find the interview and post it on YouTube, or transcribe what is said, or something.
     
  5. MissK

    MissK Active Member

    Try this.
     
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  6. Brian

    Brian Active Member

    Thanks for that. I thought it must have been out there somewhere. Fantastic! Now I don't have to hunt for the video!
     
  7. Jamesj75

    Jamesj75 Well-Known Member

    This is wonderful news and reinforcement to many of us here who have long believed that "You" had hit potential! :)
     
  8. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    I'd missed this article, glad it's been commented on. For anyone that didn't read it, the full Manila Review explains why the song is popular in the Philippines:

    "The Carpenters released 46 singles and several best-of compilations over the years. Conspicuously absent from any of these compilations, even the 40-track long 40/40, is the Filipino favorite “You.”

    “You,” never released as a single and apparently deemed a throwaway album cut from A Kind of Hush, reaped a different level of popularity in the Philippines, due to its heavy radio airplay.

    “You,” specially appealed to Philippine music listeners’ sensibilities. Its lyrics were slightly saccharine and deeply sentimental: “You are the one that makes me happy, when everything else turns to gray…” It evolved into a favorite for Filipino despedidas and variety show tributes, largely owing to the song’s appeal to the basest of Filipinos’ sappiness.

    The song is often the lead track in locally-produced Carpenters compilations, which is strange, considering the Carpenters and their label never considered “You” among the band’s best or most important songs. Again, “You” was a Philippine-only radio hit whose popularity was largely generated by radio deejays’ priming".
     
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  9. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Good for you, Richard !
    No ‘Rainy Days and Mondays’ here:
    Richard Carpenter settles royalty fight over songs made with sister

    POSTED BY DEBBIE L. SKLAR ON MAY 18, 2017 IN HOLLYWOOD

    "Richard Carpenter, Universal Music Group and A&M Records
    settled the musician’s lawsuit in which he alleged he was owed royalties for
    online digital downloads of songs he made with his sister Karen,
    who died more than three decades ago."
    "Carpenter, 70, sought more than $2 million in his breach-of-contract suit
    filed Jan. 11. His sister’s estate also was a plaintiff."

    "However, attorneys for Carpenter filed court papers on May 10 with Los Angeles Superior
    Court Judge Samantha Jessner , stating that the case was settled. No terms were divulged."

    Source(s):
    https://lawestmedia.com/lawest/richard-carpenter-royalty-dispute/
    http://mynewsla.com/hollywood/2017/...es-royalty-fight-over-songs-made-with-sister/
     
  10. Graeme

    Graeme Active Member

    Rolling Stone magazine article on Sheila E:

    'Long before Sheila E became a sleek dance-funk star with her Grammy-nominated song "The Glamorous Life," she was Sheila Escovedo growing up poor in Oakland, California. She wanted to play drums like Karen Carpenter after watching her on television.'

    Sheila E. Details New Political Covers LP With Ringo Starr, Fred Stone
     
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  11. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Finally, an explanation that actually makes sense !

    Excerpt:
    2013 Modern Drummer:
    What Do You Know About…Karen Carpenter?
    by Dena Tauriello
    "One of the most iconic vocalists in pop history was also a drummer—and a damned good one.
    So why do we still need reminding?"
    ----
    "So why didn’t she play on all the tracks? "

    Joe Osborn.....
    "....when building tracks, they began with just piano, bass, drums, and a scratch vocal;
    they couldn’t track the vocal from behind the drums.
    She needed to be at the mic for the sake of the recording."
    ---

    Concluding......
    "And maybe it’s easy to dismiss the drumming on the duo’s records because of their “middle of the road” musical style, which may seem dated, irrelevant, or even boring today. Regardless of the reasons, the fact remains that there is now a slew of talented, successful female drummers for whom Karen Carpenter paved the way. The notion of a female drummer is fairly commonplace today, but successive generations need to be reacquainted with music history and one of its pioneers. So break open your laptops, get on YouTube, and watch some live clips. You won’t be disappointed."

    Read Further :
    What Do You Know About...Karen Carpenter? - Modern Drummer Magazine
     
  12. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Here Are the Last 50 Years' Songs of the Summer
    Close To You
    .....
    Here Are the Last 50 Years' Songs of the Summer
    Jun 08, 2017
    "songs of the summer,"
    "...based on streaming and Billboard chart data.
    Kicking things off with The Doors' "Light My Fire" (1967)
    and cycling through an eclectic mix from acts like The Carpenters (1970),
    Prince (1984) and Nelly Furtado (2006), it's an audio tour through genres,
    musical trends and popular artists of days past and present."
     
  13. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

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  14. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    This is a great article, thanks for posting. One thing intrigues me: why was Hal Blaine suddenly dropped completely as their drummer midway through their career?

    "By now she had agreed to take a backseat on some of the recording sessions, with Hal Blaine playing on most of the singles released between 1970 and 1975 [...] On the four albums released between 1976 and 1983, the drum tracks were played by Ron Tutt, Jim Gordon, Larrie Londin, Cubby O’Brien, John Robinson, or Ed Greene".
     
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  15. Chris Mills

    Chris Mills Well-Known Member

    Jack Daugherty?
     
  16. MissK

    MissK Active Member

    According to the Resource Hal Blaine receives no album credit starting with "Now and Then" That was the first album hat Richard took over as producer, though I thought I read somewhere credit for one track (Jambalaya). Seems there was no love lost between the two.
     
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  17. Portlander

    Portlander Member

    Humorous and nice publicity for the Carpenters.
     
  18. Carpe diem

    Carpe diem Well-Known Member

    Not a big fan of this guy...he was ok on "SNL" and in the movie "Anchorman" but his humor is a little bit hard to take at times. His shtick is starting to get old, like Jim Carrey's. His latest movie released this past weekend was a flop at the box office but I do like the fact that he mentioned "The Carpenters" and particularly "Karen Carpenter" by name in this video. So I would like to take that as a show of respect to the duo.
     
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  19. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

  20. Brian

    Brian Active Member

    This one doesn't really fit this thread of 'Anyone Read This?' but is more, 'Anyone Seen This?' In about 1977, my cousin said that he saw a film clip of 'Top of the World' with Karen actually sitting on a globe of the world. I've searched YouTube, but have never found anything like this. Has anyone else seen this clip or was my cousin having me on?
     
  21. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    :laugh: I think you may have been had there.
     
  22. CraigGA

    CraigGA Well-Known Member

    When I was in 8th grade my friends would tell me stuff like that from time to time cause they knew I was nuts for the Carpenters.
     

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