One more -- Doug Strawn. If you mean members of their "Carpenters" traveling band, I don't think Joe belongs in this lineup, nor Hal. Cubby O'Brien would, having been on the road with them and on the "A Kind of Hush" album ("Goofus"). You're right, they were great. I thought Doug was quite a good lead singer, too, evident when he did a few numbers with Karen early on.