CarpenterS Fan Club BURIED TREASURE topic

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Have any bootleg copies of these songs with full vocal leads been leaked and posted on the internet? If they haven't, it's about time they were. Just can't believe that hidden away somewhere, are these fabulous musical gems.
 
Yeah, I'm hoping it's before I forget my name and that I even like THe Carpenters, otherwise I may have to pull up a chair at that bistro table.

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I say we organize a covert operation, occupy Casa Ricardo, the warehouse, and Iron Mountain, and liberate said treasures. We can call ourselves the A&M Corner Expendables! :laugh: We're not getting any younger, so if caught, at least we wouldn't have too many years left to rot in prison. :cop: But, if successful, audio nirvana awaits. :angel: So, who's with me?

Hmm... I wonder if Sly and Arnie are Carpenters fans? :laugh:
 
Not this topic again!!! Talk about beating a dead horse yet beat it I shall! Just learned that Stevie Nick's is releasing a set recorded over years titled something like 'From The Vault'. At some point there must be a realization, a spark of interest on all things Karen Carpenter(S) to demand all same. Good enough for raspy old Stevie...Don't bomb me with the relevance of Ms. Nick's please.

Jeff
 
Just learned that Stevie Nick's is releasing a set recorded over years titled something like 'From The Vault'.

Stevie's new album is called 24K Gold: From The Vault but the title is a bit of a misnomer. While the songs are "from the vault," the recordings are not. The album consists of new recordings of various old songs Stevie had written over the years for various albums and projects but never did anything with beyond the demo stage.

I see where you are going (and agree with your point), but this particular situation would not be possible to do with Karen.
 
Maybe when Richard said "all done" perhaps he meant that he's already planned out the 45th and 50th anniversary compilations. Which COULD mean that he has finished mixing the three or four missing songs in our collections.

You look at VOTH, Lovelines, ATGB, and other compilations that had extras on them. We have a lot so far.

Some of those songs have been leaked (KC's outtakes), some weren't Carpenter-esque, were recorded by another artist for their specials, didn't have a full lead and so on. It would be cool if he could string them into a medley (if it was even possible), but I'm trying to say we're not missing out on very much.

I found this recently that I hadn't heard. Maybe we'll get a few more leaks like this.

 
I found this recently that I hadn't heard. Maybe we'll get a few more leaks like this.

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Wow, thanks for that Richard Carpenter song link, I had never heard that one either! Of course it's not him doing all the vocals as stated in the title, but it's stunning to hear how his vocal style is so similar to Karen's. Very nice indeed! :)
 
Some of those songs have been leaked (KC's outtakes), some weren't Carpenter-esque, were recorded by another artist for their specials, didn't have a full lead and so on. It would be cool if he could string them into a medley (if it was even possible)

It is indeed possible and has been done before by ABBA for their 1994 box set. A track on disc 4 was called "ABBA Undeleted" and featured 20 minutes of demos, outtakes and unreleased songs strung together in a medley with studio chatter in between. It was so cool to hear that at the time.
 
Has anyone here ever heard of Richard & Karen performing a medley called "Young Ladies That I Love"? I saw it listed on a website that included songs they performed in their 1972 concerts. I've only seen the You Tube videos of their concerts and this medley is not performed in any of them.
 
Has anyone here ever heard of Richard & Karen performing a medley called "Young Ladies That I Love"? I saw it listed on a website that included songs they performed in their 1972 concerts. I've only seen the You Tube videos of their concerts and this medley is not performed in any of them.

It's amazing what comes into your mind at 3 am when you are trying to sleep. I now seem to recall reading somewhere ( You Tube, Facebook, one of the biographies) that this medley was made up of songs with girls' names in the title. I don't remember if it was performed by Richard or by Doug Strawn.

BTW I rediscovered the title of this medley last weekend when I came across a website named amcorner.com.
 
Here goes:

Hi Jeff,

Here's the text you have requested. Please know that this interview was
conducted back in 1996. Some of the songs mentioned here have been made
available on "As Time Goes By" album. And you can watch the others on Youtube, I think.
I hope you will enjoy reading it.
Thanks,
Yuka


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YO:
I have a list of the unreleased songs.
RC:
Uh-oh. I've already... OK. Someone, I know who, got into the Carpenters file
at the A&M library, in the Carpenters file is everything. Every time we had
a guest on our shows who sang a song, say Suzanne Somers, the actress, if
she sang a song it got put into the Carpenters card file. If Kristi McNichol
came on and sang Christmas Alphabet it got put in the card file. B.L.
Mitchell got put into the Carpenters card file. This person gets a hold of
it, distributes it to the fans around the world... I get letters to this day
listing all these tunes: "How come you haven't released these?" I'll answer
you, you list them and I can tell you about each one of them.
All My Life we will probably put on... it has a whole lead, it's good. (Not
All Of My Life). It's an outtake, anymore, I say, especially if someone has
passed away, an outtake is a bonus track. Then it was an outtake. You didn't
think it was up to being on the album. But this one does have a whole lead
and, of course Karen's leads were perfect. It's unfinished, but I can finish
it and someday we'll put it out.
Love Song: I haven't a clue, unless it's 78.
Ain't Misbehaving is Ella Fitzgerald
See what I mean? That's the trouble with that. I keep getting this. This is
like a pyramid scheme, you know when every now and again you get a letter
for a pyramid scheme: if you don't continue this letter, death will
befall... Yeah. And I get this Goddamned list on the average of once a
month. "I know you have these and how come you haven't released them?" And
I'm telling you, that's why!
All The Way, no one we ever...
Mad is B.L. Mitchell. It's really nice, but it's not Karen.
All Good Things I Remember I haven't a clue. Wait, there's All Good Things
Don't Have To End. We did one for Made In America called All Good Things
Don't Have To End, but it doesn't have a whole lead. See, back then, rather
than keep at it until we had a track in one take that satisfied us, if we
got half of one take and part of another take we'd edit it. Some had work
leads and some didn't. So, you'll be listening to the master track, which
turned out to be an outtake, Karen will be singing for half of it and then
it goes to where it was edited to another take where Karen's not singing.
There's no whole lead. So, there is an All Good Things Don't Have To End,
which is quite a nice tune, doesn't have a whole lead on it.
Magic In The Music - Either I can't stand the song, I thought it would be
good but once we got in there we didn't like it. It may not have a whole
lead, if it does I'd never put it out.
And When He Smiles doesn't have a lead.
Once In A Lifetime. It sucks. And there's no lead.
Ald Lang Syne is a big Peter Knight orchestration. It was a possibility for
the Christmas Portrait album, there's no lead.
Won't You Play A Simple Melody is... it was meant for and it was cut out of
our second Christmas special, where my folks visit and originally... it
ended up with just Gene Kelly saying something and my father saying
something in his droll voice, but originally there was a... you know the
song, Irving Berlin? And then it has a counter melody, and then they
both go
together. So Karen and my Mother sang "won't you play..." and then my father
and I moaned out "musical dreams..." and then the whole thing was supposed
to go together. So it does exist, as a curiosity piece for something
like a
boxed set, it may work. I had forgotten all about it. My mother does have
quite a nice voice.
Rainbow Connection, if it has a whole lead, Karen would come down and get
me.
Come And Be Kind. John wrote that with... he may have written the whole
thing. I have the demo on it, it's really nice, it doesn't have a whole
lead.
Peter Pan Moon would be on Voice Of The Heart if it had a whole lead. We
were crazy about that, but never got it completed and it doesn't have a
whole lead.
Better World. Oh my goodness, I heard on a Saturday Night Live by Dr. John,
remember Dr. John? Did he ever make a kind of Cajun character? Just a funky
Leon Russell type of thing, and I absolutely loved it and we did a track,
and of course, it's one of the last things on Earth the Carpenters would...
so we never did anything with it.
Dizzy Fingers is an instrumental. It's all done, I could play it for you
right now. It's for Music, Music, Music. It's where I go from piano... I
don't know if you've ever seen Music, Music, Music. I start at one
piano, I
go to toy piano, I go to a harpsichord, I jump from here to there, it's
really neat. But, to watch, for some people to listen to, but it's an
instrumental, I don't think most people are going to care about it.
Don't Leave Me. No way! That was done for the tan album, it's lousy. Good
song, not meant for us.
Real Love. I couldn't even tell you.
Fallin' For Love. Pretty good, but I don't think it has a....
Runaway was done by Gallagher and Lyle, a British duo, no lead.
Fool Me. RC vocals, so it's out right there.
Savin' It Up- it's actually called For the Minute. Paul Anka. No it's not,
its... I'll think of it but it doesn't matter, no lead.
Sebastian. It was done by Paul Stookie. Worked for him, again was done right
around the time we did And When He Smiles, it just doesn't... I remember
Roger giving us more if a hard time for even thinking about doing...
Funny Faces. B.L. Mitchell.
Second Thoughts. Paul Anka. No lead and we weren't that hot about it.
How High The Moon. Ella Fitzgerald.
Slaughter On Tenth Avenue. Again, instrumental piano, orchestra from...
Hell, I ought to just pull it out and put it on the new album.
Hurting. Rings no bell at all. We used call Hurting Each Other Hurting.
Seventy Five. I don't know, it doesn't ring a bell. I heard this by some
girl, I have the record, I can't remember the name, it didn't become a hit.
I said, "This is a hit." And it turned out to be a hit by Rod Stewart, but
we cut it before Rod Stewart cut it. But, no lead.
I Believe In You is Neil Young. "Now that you've made yourself..." I
thought, when I heard that, this is another Superstar hit, it may have a
lead on it, it just didn't work. That again was cut for that tan album. So
there are reasons here. But there's another one that's not listed there.
There's one called Try and Win A Friend, that I think has a whole lead
on it
that's good that we may use. Well, it's written by... we did it in
approximately '74, written by Larry Gatlin. That has a lead on it.
Just Somebody is Randy Eledman, it doesn't work for us.
A Wedding Prayer is just me.
Last Of The Romantics has a great big track with a full-on Peter
orchestration and no lead.
Won't Be Back Tomorrow, I could play it for you right now, has everything
but a lead.
Lately is Bob Bauker. B.L. Mitchell.
Leave Yesterday Behind we will put in the future album. It's written by Fred
Carlin, he's trying to duplicate For All We Know, it's pleasant but it's not
For All We Know, but it does have a nice lead on it. So, we'll use that, Try
And Win A Friend and All My Life and probably Won't You Play A Simple
Melody, because it has my father and me singing on it and Karen and my
mother.
You're Just In Love. Well, I have it with just Karen and me singing it, just
for fun. Originally it was Karen and John Davidson for Music, Music, Music.
But for kicks.. cause I made it for Paul Grein and... some if this stuff was
only meant... not meant to be around the world.
You'll Never Know. Again, well it's John Davidson's key and it was meant for
him to sing and just for kicks I sang a lead on it. You probably know it and
have it. This stuff is not supposed to be out of... that's the trouble
with... anymore, when... that's why I'm so skiddish about letting anyone
have a photograph, you know, this stuff ends up around the world!
YO:
This list is from a lady who is compiling a book about A&M.;
RC:
I know who got a hold of this and to whom it was given and who then
circulated it. He shall remain nameless, but I know.
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Only because the average fan who gets their hands on this immediately thinks
that every one of these is a finished track with Karen singing the lead, and
what am I doing depriving the public of this?
YO:
My personal feeling about this is that it's not everything that you
recorded, it's outtakes of the TV specials or...
RC:
It's that. It's TV specials, appearances, it's outtakes, it's half completed
leads or it's songs we never should have recorded in the first place.
Wouldn't I like, if.... I mean obviously there's money to be made if I loved
all these pieces, I'd have them out already. The list is accurate, except
that doesn't mean anything. Hurting means nothing to me and one other one
doesn't ring a bell, but that doesn't mean anything. But All Good Things...
see, I think that got mixed up, cause it's definitely called All Good Things
Don't Have To End, and I think it ended up All Good Things I Remember. We
also did a track to The Moon's A Harsh Mistress.
YO:
And When He Smiles...
RC:
Well, several of those may see release in the future.
YO:
Does this mean you have enough material to compile a CD?
RC:
It would have to be, if we do it at all, cause I said I can think... what
are there four things with And When He Smiles, and then there are 10 bonus
tracks from the Phil Ramone project but he's not wild about all of them, nor
am I, nor was Karen. That's why they're outtakes! But there are several in
there so if you use several of those, and there's one that's quite
Carpenter-esque that I already... that I would love to do the
arrangement on
it. All it is now is a track and a work lead, but it's really
Carpenter-esque. That may be one reason that it's not on the album, cause
it's too Carpenter-esque. I want to do the chart on it, if they'll let me,
and I think it would be kind of nice to... for Karen... Karen, you know,
would love to have me do the chart on it, and it is right out of our song
book, if you will, and there are probably four things there, five maybe, no
four, another four... but then the rest would have to be interviews and...
it can't be a whole album... there's not enough to make a whole CD of music
that's worthy of release. I'm not about to put out just anything and neither
is Phil, just because... nor, I think... granted I suppose some people, if
it's Karen singing it.... Well, there's Why Don't They Understand, is that
on there? That has an actual whole lead and it's a tune that Karen and I
always loved from the time of it's release. It was originally produced and
arranged by Don Costa, sung by George Hamilton IV... but somehow, even
though Karen sings it better than George Hamilton IV, it just didn't... we
never finished it, mentally, but we looked at ourselves and said we liked
the original one more. So, it never went anywhere. Pretty song. Is that on
there?
YO:
Yes.
RC:
Well, it's a comprehensive list, they did their jobs well.

end.

2014/08/22 4:34、Jeff xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hi Yuka,
There is a fervent chatter at www.amcorner.com regarding English text insofar as the details at each BURIED TREASURE recording. Many are clamoring for the information. Knowing of Richard Carpenter's intent to withhold these tracks we are still curious about the information you gathered regarding them. If you can help us please stop by the site.

Thank you Yuka,

Jeff
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This is fantastic, and to be honest, I would love to hear a Peter Knight-Carpenters instrumental of "Auld Lang Syne."

Really grateful that some of these have been released on "As Time Goes By."

I would love to see more from the vault at least preserved in a publicly accessible archive somewhere, not necessarily released on CD or via digital distribution.
 
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