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Karen's solo tracks in timeline

Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by CraigGA, Jan 7, 2017.

  1. CraigGA

    CraigGA Active Member Thread Starter

    I was listening to a variety of Carpenters tunes today and of course, I always have that feeling of "what if". Today's question is what if the project could have been finished on time and have had an immediate release? I have put together my favorites and wonder if anyone knows of recording date of each song. These are good songs and represented the time of 1979 rather well, so I wonder...what if? Can anyone help my fog? I even think others would have recorded these songs after hearing them on this project. Would these have fit the timeline?

    Love Makin’ Love To You
    Guess I’ve Just Lost My Head
    Something’s Missing
    Still Crazy After All These Years
    If I Had You
    Makin’ Love In the Afternoon
    Make Believe It’s Your First Time
    If We Try
    Last One Singing the Blues
    My Body Keeps Changing My Mind


    Craig
     
  2. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    The shame of it is that this album was delayed by Karen's health issues. Had it been released in 1979 when some of these songs were penned (or even 1978 if she'd started this venture right after Passage), it might have done exceptionally well. To have released it in mid 1980 would probably have been a disaster. Disco was done well before the end of the seventies. Although I hate to say it, I think for timing reasons alone A&M made the right decision.
     
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  3. CraigGA

    CraigGA Active Member Thread Starter

    I agree totally toward the release date. There is also promotion for the Singles, set 2 in England, too. If timing could have commenced by Feb. 1979, it would have made a good dent with the song selection and various styles chosen to showcase an alternative style of Karen with Rod Temperton flare, showcasing some of his best. She had the vision!
     
  4. I seem to recall reading in another thread about Karen's album that Harry I think was able to determine that Karen was working on the song "Makin' Love In The Afternoon" when the photograph of her wearing the headphones with her head tilted back was taken. Didn't the photographer say that the picture was taken in 1980?
     
  5. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member

    FL
    I bought that print on Cranes Museo Silver Rag Paper in 16 x 20 and I have it mounted and framed. I had several emails with Bonnie Schiffman. She said she was a photographer at A&M records and the photo was taken at A&M recording studio in 1980. She told me it was during the time she recorded at A&M studio in LA. Since she mentioned 1980 and LA, I am led to believe that this was after most of the album was already done. I believe that the photo was taken in Jan 1980. I can confirm that the lyric sheet in front of Karen under the mic are the words to the track, "Making Love In The Afternoon" perhaps she was adding her vocals in LA just after Peter Cetera had finished his vocals. It's very possible this was the last track cut from the album. The print looks so stunning and the framing turned out amazing, I feel very lucky to have spoken to the photographer and it's #2 of 25, she signed it on one side and the other says Karen Carpenter 1980.
     
  6. CraigGA

    CraigGA Active Member Thread Starter

    That is awesome. It has always been one of my favorite photos of Karen. So, I guess you guys have answered my question as to whether enough songs could have been compiled to complete an album sooner. And trying to find 4 other songs to substitute 4 discos to ballads would have taken even more time unless Its Really You and Jimmy Mac could have been re-recorded lower. And Love Makin Love To You could have become more dance and less disco. All in all, it appears it came down to timing and opportunities missed. Thankfully, we have these to spin! And, I can understand why it was shelved, although it must have been a painful decision since there are quite a few gems on it!

    Craig
     
  7. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member

    FL
    I'd love to know the exact timeline dates of when each song was recorded and even the unreleased tracks too. I still think Karen Ramone would be able to shed a lot of light into the process of her solo tracks since she was right there. I hope one day Chris May gets to interview her down the road.

    I think the idea of her removing some of the disco feel or making it more dance would have been out of the question since they didn't even like what they heard and wanted her to go back and record more. There was just no time as MMM was in full swing.
     
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  8. Actorman

    Actorman Active Member

    Also, wasn't "Making Love in the Afternoon" intended to be used as part of ABC's Love In The Afternoon marketing campaign for it's daytime soap operas? It's possible that it was a last minute addition because of that. That would make sense as to why it wasn't recorded in New York with all the rest of the tracks. No idea if that is what happened, but it would make sense. The promotion the song would have received from that campaign would have been a good reason to make sure the song was included on the album.
     
  9. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    I've never heard that story before but it sounds plausible. Can you imagine viewers tuning in and their comments upon hearing it playing over the TV campaign?

    "I'm sure that's Karen Carpenter...isn't it?".

    "The Carpenters have sure grown up since I last heard them!"

    "Have they got a new single out?"
     
  10. CraigGA

    CraigGA Active Member Thread Starter

    Karen looked great on that special with Olivia and it would have been a upbeat promotional tool! It didn't even need to be an album cut, but a single cut only with remixes.
     
  11. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    I still imagine the song(s) she would have performed. We still don't know what Karen's preferred choice of lead single would have been.

    #callingitchie
     

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