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Classic AOTW Sergio Mendes & Brasil '66 CRYSTAL ILLUSIONS (SP 4197)

Discussion in 'Look Around: Sergio Mendes/Brazilian Music Forum' started by Harry, Jan 31, 2012.

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What is your favorite track?

(Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay 1 vote(s) 6.7%
Viola (Viola Enluarda) 2 vote(s) 13.3%
Song Of No Regrets 1 vote(s) 6.7%
Salt Sea 1 vote(s) 6.7%
Empty Faces 1 vote(s) 6.7%
Pretty World 6 vote(s) 40.0%
Dois Dias 0 vote(s) 0.0%
You Stepped Out Of A Dream 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Crystal Illusions (Memorias de Marta Sare) 3 vote(s) 20.0%
  1. JMK Active Member

    I've also had a lot of fun with various Portuguese teachers going through old "classics" that were Americanized and finding out what the originals really say, a la Viola Enluarada. :)
  2. Rudy Spinning The Wheels Of Steel

    Good times back then. :agree: Did you frequent rec.music.marketplace at all? I found quite a few good things there. Grabbed some rare 12" singles from a former DJ liquidating the duplicates from his collection; he did not list everything he had, and for every title I asked about, he probably came up with about half of them. Sweet.

    Agreed about Sergio. He does lean toward the pop/MOR side on some of his albums, but for years I wondered who "that Edu Lobo guy is" and why I couldn't find any of his recordings (as one example). My mom was adventurous, but she had her own interests. It's a testament to someone like Sergio who can distill the best from a few different musical cultures to create his own thing, yet give more of us that appetite to seek out the originals and/or more recordings by the composers of many of the songs he performed.

    I still haven't identified that one Alpert track called "Lobo" that has Edu Lobo as a credit...I know that's not the original title. Still haven't heard it on the several albums of his that I own; I need to convert and post it as an MP3 clip to see if anyone here can identify. Tried writing to Edu Lobo's management via his website but never heard back.
  3. Paula New Member

    Gentlemen!

    How wonderful to see your names once again and to read your replies! Does Jon Skinner (BrasilNut) stop by these days, or Bernie Medina? Mike, do you still operate the theatre? Harry, does the radio station still issue your paycheck?

    Harry, I know what you mean about coming back to favorite artists. I guess that's why I've not pitched the Mendes, Alpert, and most certainly not Lani recordings. Was it here we once discussed how the music and artists you enjoyed as an adolescent is that to which you consistently return? Truth be told, none of these three artists were played from long before I moved to South Bend (4-1/2 years ago) until the past few months. I did pick up the new Mendes and Alpert/Hall releases (LOVE "Dreamer") and attended the Alpert/Hall show in East Lansing (my younger son is a Spartan alum, Neil). The older son (in Austin for the last 5 years - is Bill still around?) recently asked for an mp3 disc of Lani's latin material, with Brasil '66 filler. That was the first time the cds came off the shelves. This music was a large part of his adolescent musical memory.

    Jeff, I am aware of the Valle set, which is reasonably priced compared to other box sets. I will not pursue this, as I have a number of the cds in the set and am not a Valle completist. This year many of the top MPB artists turn 70 (Jorge Ben, Caetano Veloso, Gilberto Gil, Paulinho da Viola), and I expect new compilatons that could eat into my pocketbook. Your comment about "album" credits is spot-on. Young people today may never find that link between songs they enjoy. I certainly knew nothing about Edu Lobo or Dori Caymmi other thab thet wrote music I consistently enjoyed and when presented the opportunity, followed their work as well.

    Enough blab. Good to "hear" from you all. Jeff, is the email link on your website current? I'd love to send you a note.
  4. Rudy Spinning The Wheels Of Steel

    :wave:

    I don't think we've heard from Bernie in quite awhile! Brasil Nut shows up from time to time; in fact, I saw him quite a bit several months ago before I dumped facebook. Mike still has a theatre, Bill's still going postal in Austin, Mr Bill is sitting in Afghanistan right now, and Harry is now in Florida.

    Surprised you were in E. Lansing--we were there also! Had I known, we all could have met up. I did get to the meet and greet afterward, thankfully, but other than Rim and Matt (I think it was Matt...lawdy my memory is shot!), I don't know if anyone else here made it. I was in Indiana a few weeks ago; maybe I'll be a nearby neighbor in Indy before long. :wink:
  5. Harry Administrator

    Paula, I'm now happily retired from radio, though I guess with the pension kicking in, I could say, yes, I still receive something akin to a paycheck from them. We moved to central Florida two years ago and are enjoying the beautiful weather. The Lani Hall albums you helped me acquire are still present and accounted for.

    And yes, I think we did discuss here how whatever you were into musically at age fourteen-fifteen seems to stick with you for life. You never lose it (or at least most don't). I guess that's why my life seems grounded in the year 1966. So many things from that year are still near and dear to me.

    Captain Bacardi (Bill) is indeed still around. Our other Bill, Mr. Gowdy, is currently quartered somewhere in Afghanistan, watching a Herb Alpert BBC Documentary, the last we heard.

    Jon Skinner (Brasil Nut) checks in from time to time. Last I heard he was a flight attendant for Southwest.

    Bernie Medina posts under the user name "PartyRico", but it's been some time since I've seen anything from him.

    Harry
    ...welcoming Paula back, online...
  6. JMK Active Member

    Hi again, Paula, yes the email contact on :

    jeffreykauffman.net

    is correct. Love to hear from you!
  7. Paula New Member

    You fellas are super-fast with your responses! Thanks for the updates. I work at the University of Notre Dame (is there another employer in South Bend?) in the International Studies department. And yes, I work with the students headed to Brasil. The two programs involved (in Salvador da Bahia and São Paulo) are small, but we look to expand our offerings given the right "fit." I envy you the Florida weather, Harry. Neil, are you looking for a job this way?

    Jeff, I'll get something out in the next day or two.

    Paula
    ...thanking Harry for the welcome, online...
  8. Rudy Spinning The Wheels Of Steel

    Somewhat...actually, anywhere within a 300 mile radius of where I'm at now. I need to get out of this state--it's pretty much dying/dead here, and I'm tired of it. (After you've been kicked by industrial/steel/automotive too many times in life like I have, you get tired of it.) Had a nibble in Indy that might turn into something down the road. My motto for the past several years has been "Anywhere but Michigan." My better half is looking at continuing the legal admin degree at Ball State; I can take up at any good tech college myself to finish out my own degree.
  9. Mr Bill Administrator

    Yay! Paula is back after how many years? We all wondered where you've been. It's good to have you home, so to speak!
  10. Paula New Member

    Mr. Bill! How wonderful to see your moniker once more! The welcome has been fabulous, but certainly is not warranted. Life became uber complicated; limiting time on the internet was imperative.

    I learned you are away and are very limited in your free time. I sincerely hope that you are and will remain well and that your return will be safe and soon. Do you have an opportunity to listen to local music while abroad?

    This site always felt like "home." Thank you all for keeping this a collegial space.
  11. Mr Bill Administrator

    Not much in the way of local music where I am now. When I've been in other countries I've always made the effort to find and listen to the local whether it's pop, ethnic or even a tribal "jam session." Here in AFG there is not much moving about for obvious reasons! I'll be home before Summer begins and my current "trip" is half over this week. But I am in a fairly safe place considering where I COULD be at this moment.

    --Mr Bill
  12. Rudy Spinning The Wheels Of Steel

    :tiphat:

    Even if the rest of the site changes, or even goes away, this forum will probably outlive all of us. :D It has a life of its own these days. As long as everyone can stay in touch and have a good time, that's good enough for me. :)
  13. Dave Active Member

    This album was definitely what began the "underdog" period for Sergio & his group... Brasil '66 fumbles on some of these tracks, but mostly precises itself in a fairly comfortable groove...

    The rootish Brasilian stuff, is at least well-mastered & what they're mostly in touch with, making it appealing to American audiences... I chose "(Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay" as my fav', though it hardly ranks w/ most of the earlier interpretations of American pop song, to the point where it's little wonder that this is the lone remake, amid the more authentic Brasilian gems that they felt more comfortable & confident delivering...

    And then, more & more shifting towards in their later work--well, that is, until the Bell and Elektra records came about; then there were American pop songs galore, along w/ the sad awkwardness, despite the earnest effort they can still do...

    As for "Crystal Illusions", while it works well for the cover concept, I think there's a bit of meandering there, before Sergio / Brasil '66 really get to the point, as far as the song is concerned... There is a dream-like trance to it, but not quite like the one Paul Desmond gives it (on From The Hot Afternoon)... I've heard Edu Lobo's version and that captures the true authenticity, whereas Sergio must have thought "well, let's see what we can do with it", maybe after a healthy dose of listening to "Mais Que Nada"...

    In comparing the three versions I know of, which are all on A&M, Desmond comes out on top, Lobo's I could honestly give 2nd place to, if only in that there's a more sincere tone w/o it sounding like a rough draft, but Sergio Mendes & Brasil '66 after getting it up to speed, just let it go too over the top flooding it w/ Dave Grusin's orchestrations, detracting way too much from the metronomic approach in the beginning...

    This is a fairly good album, but unless you get a good idea of Mendes & Brasil '_ _ is about, (that is buying anything from Herb Alpert Presents, through Fool On The Hill, or maybe making something like his return to A&M as in "Never Gonna Let You Go" or maybe something like Arara), then this is really not "the place to start"...!

    At best, though, it is a good way to warm up to this approach being carried much farther w/ Ye-Me-Le, or Pais Tropical... Or more likely, the more pleasant route taken on Primal Roots, before wading into where aside from a couple good interpretations, the attempt at creating more ambition, just became a contemporary pop music stew on Elektra or Bell...


    -- Dave
  14. I loved this album when it was new and I was 13. Now, it's not my favorite (I think I've settled on "Look Around"), but there are some nice moments.

    "Pretty World" is impossible not to love. But I'll bet you if anyone other than Lani was singing it, I'd have blown it off as sticky-sweet pop and not have thought once about it in the past 43 years.

    "Crystal Illusions" sticks with me because the first time I heard it was on KGIL in Los Angeles on a densely foggy Sunday morning riding in a car down a deserted La Brea with about five feet of visibility. I'd never heard anything like it and it was so right for what the town looked like through the windshield that day. But truth be told, I prefer the Edu Lobo version...and Paul Desmond's is one of my favorites, too.

    My favorite, though...and I can't tell you why....is "Viola"...anybody know if that way off-key note near the end was intentional?

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