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Discussion in 'Collector's Corner' started by DeeInKY, Sep 4, 2015.

  1. Captain Bacardi

    Captain Bacardi Well-Known Member Moderator

    I can't begin to tell you my hate of Amazon's packaging. Almost everyday I get parcels that are so heavy they just fall apart from poor packing. Of course, we get blamed for it. :baah:
     
  2. DeeInKY

    DeeInKY Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    I don't know why the giant box. Seems like a box just a couple inches bigger and with foam around the inner box would work, but what do I know. I didn't stay at the Holiday Inn Express last night.:laugh:
     
  3. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

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    I've packed maybe 50-60,000 packages in my lifetime, maybe more, and most of it was heavy (or I should say high-mass) industrial parts of one type or another. That is one thing I learned early on--use the smallest box possible, and pack the boxes or parts inside almost impossibly tight. We'd paper tape the ends shut, then reinforce with clear plastic tape. Yet we'd have customers (distributors we sold to) return parts to us thrown carelessly into the bottom of the box, and some would get too bashed up to resell.

    I've had luck both ways with Amazon packaging. Some are like a fortress and the products inside are secured properly. Others are thrown into boxes too large, the weight shifted all to one side, one strip of tape holding the box shut on each side...not good.

    They have somewhat improved with vinyl. They prepackage the records into individual shipping containers upon arrival at their facility. If you end up with an order containing two or more records, they throw those prepackaged records into a larger box and ship it. Ever since then, the vinyl has arrived flawlessly. Singles often don't fare so well, but if it's too damaged, they eat the cost of getting me a replacement. I had one arrive today from Amazon UK (it was ordered from Amazon DE, but shipped out of the UK). The outer box was a bit mangled, but the records were fine inside.

    When I used to buy audio equipment in the 80s and 90s, it would always be double-boxed, the inner box padded an inch or two on all sides. Even now, better shippers provide plenty of padding. Amazon is all about volume, and getting "production" out the door.
     
  4. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

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    It should be here tomorrow (Friday). The aluminum trim on the woofers has some light corrosion. So, that'll be part of the cleanup. I'll have a few pics for curiosity sake.
     
  5. DeeInKY

    DeeInKY Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Haven't got everything hooked up yet. Had some nasty thunderstorms the last two nights, and I hate to be messing with electronics during that. Also I've got to give some thought to rearranging some stuff in the living room to accommodate the setup. Tonight I applied for a job and straightened up around here some since company is coming this weekend.
     
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  6. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

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    Well, it's Monday! We're waiting! :D
     
  7. DeeInKY

    DeeInKY Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Don't rush me. :D Had a good time with the friends. Then today half the crew called in sick to work. (Gee, I wonder why.) Trying to decide if I can put the turntable on top of the receiver. I think there's enough air circulation. Got a serious space problem here.
     
  8. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

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    No rush! :D

    Not a good idea to stick it on top of the receiver--it can pick up hum from the transformers inside, and can pick up vibration also (you may not get feedback, but it can sound muddy). It needs a good, solid surface. Got any furniture you can repurpose as an audio stand? As an alternate idea, they do make wall shelves for turntables. We can kick around a few ideas here if you'd like.

    I used to have an old press-board room divider that had my equipment piled on it, and I had everything imaginable. Since I now go for more of a purist approach and keep things simple, I'm using a single rack with only four components (phono stage, preamp, Oppo 105 and power amp--just the basics). It's nice that I now have it contained to one small area.
     
  9. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

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    Oh, reminds me. I was probably about 16 years old. Had my system in my bedroom. Speakers on one wall, the turntable on the opposite wall. The system frequently sounded awful--muddy, totally annoying. At other times it was fine. I finally figured out that when I had the turntable's dust cover open, it was acting as a microphone of sorts, and the vibration from the speakers was creating a feedback loop. It didn't howl or anything (they can do that!), but it made the sound very thick and muddy.

    Nowadays I will remove the dustcover on my current turntable if I am listening seriously. It is very immune to vibration when the dustcover is open, but I don't take any chances.
     
  10. Murray

    Murray Well-Known Member

    Removing the dustcover or leaving it open isn't an option with my Techniques linear tracker... the tonearm is attached to the underside of the dustcover! :laugh:
     
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  11. DeeInKY

    DeeInKY Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Got things unpacked finally. Still pondering arrangement. I think it's time for the cassette tapes to go. They're just taking up space. I'll have to go through them and see if there's anything I might want in the future. That will clear some space. Probably wouldn't hurt to comb through the CDs and DVDs while I'm at it. The available real estate (once the shelf system is dismantled) is the top of an antique blanket chest. I have a couple of other items that live there that need to go elsewhere. The problem child is the big black walnut candle holder. That was made for me by an uncle out of a chunk of wood that came from my grandparents farm. This thing will only fit in certain places since it takes a tall candle. It may be time to do a housecleaning on all the nick-knacks in the adjacent bookshelf and get rid of some additional stuff.
     
  12. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

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    I have two nice, but dated looking, shelves in my family room at the moment. I hate to get rid of them (nothing new is built as well as these), but they are taking up room and attracting clutter. The area around my desk is likewise getting a bit "busy". Luckily I can also gain space by eliminating the CD racks--everything is on the music server now, so it's wasted space for me.
     
  13. Best bet: go "VINTAGE"(!).
    The quality level of something $200/$300 40+years-ago WAS in a *whole different universe*; than what anything a big box store would carry (from China) today.
    In my view, BEST "all-time-sleeper-amp" (not sacrificing sound quality): Marantz 1060 (made between 1971-1976). 30 watts-per-channel (MORE than enough -- considering: 10wpc can fill a room!) and a whole hunk of metal content (individually-mounted semiconductors for discrete amplification stages).
    Speakers: late-1960s Acoustic Research -"A.R."- model 2ax. They were three way (10" woofer/3 1/2" mid/ 3/4" dome tweeter) and, one of the few 8-ohm "sealed cabinet" speakers easy on amps but with the deep bass a ported cabinet (like JBL or all the Asian receiver-brand knockoffs of such) COULD NEVER muster. Also, the earlier units of the A.R. 2ax have the woofer edge made out of *CLOTH* (not foam); so, unless someone really stored them WRONG -- they, 95% of the time, STILL will be in good shape.
     
  14. Mike Blakesley

    Mike Blakesley Well-Known Member Moderator

    I have a huge CD rack that takes up a whole wall in my home office, and of course lately it's attracting more dust than anything else. CDs are like LPs for me -- I have a hard time throwing them out, unless I have replaced them with a newer/better version of the same thing.

    The biggest waste of space we have is a huge TV stand in the living room, which contains a 32" tube TV. It seems only yesterday that screen seemed HUGE! Now it's just a big dead thing in the corner, but nobody wants the big stand and it's useless for anything. I keep a bunch of DVDs in it, that's about it. The TV hasn't been turned on in about 7 years. My wife put the whole mess on a local "upcycle" Facebook page as a giveaway and got zero responses.

    At least the CD rack hugs the wall and isn't really taking up space I need for something else....
     
  15. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

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    There is a tiny part of me that doesn't want to store the CDs away, but where I'm at in the family/listening room, it is taking up wall space I need for other things. I also have a few hundred CDs stored away that I haven't ripped yet. But they were stored away for a reason--they were replaced with better-sounding versions, or titles that were bought for one or two tracks.

    I know someone who has an entire spare bedroom with tall and wide CD shelves on all four walls. He is not doing "library rows" yet, but has two additional shelves on a lower level of the house which might hold 1000+ each. So a part of me is glad I don't have that kind of storage issue. :D

    I have things split for now. For vinyl, I have a growing pile of titles I am going to either store away in the basement, or (with some of them) either sell them off, or set them aside as something to hand down in the family. Yet I'm getting at a point where I'm getting a few new things coming in, and it's starting to push my storage capacity a bit. I figure I'm good for maybe 150 additional titles before I need to start purging more stuff, or buying more storage.

    Nobody wants the old CRT TVs anymore. Some of the thrift stores around here won't even accept them anymore. Which is sad, really. I have a nice 27" Mitsubishi in one of the bedrooms that I want to replace with a flat screen for space purposes, but don't want to throw it out. There are a few in the basement as well. The Freecycle and Craigslist aren't much help either, as there's no demand for the old sets. I have a couple that are "vintage" but nobody wants those either.
     
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  16. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

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    As they should. They make a really good line of speakers with solid engineering ideas behind them. In a way, they are almost an offshoot of the classic Dahlquist DQ-10 design (the small baffle size, the time-aligned drivers).

    I have a pair of 2CEs now (not the Sig or Sig II). I sort of lucked into them--it is one of those situations where a person is moving within a few days, has the speakers to get rid of, and sells them at some absurd low price. They didn't come with Sound Anchor stands but that's OK, since when I'm sitting in one of the listening locations here, the tweeters are actually above ear level, or in another seat, right at ear level.

    One interesting note--based on the serial number, mine were made during the last three months of the 2CE, before they introduced the 2CE Signature. So these actually have some of the Signature parts in them. (Richard Vandersteen wrote this to another owner on his Q&A page on their web site.)

    I am bi-wiring them for the time being. Noticed a slight difference--the highs are clearer now, than when I first hooked them up and jumpered the banana plugs together. I thought they were dull at first, but after bi-wiring and getting used to them, everything just falls into place where it should be.

    The only thing left to do is spike them to the floor (which may require some really short stands, as I don't want to install spikes in the bottom of these). That will tighten up the bass even more. And of course, I'm still working on positioning these in the room. Naturally, my listening locations are in a null area of the room, so the speakers have good, strong bass...anywhere but in my seat! :laugh:

    They're power-hungry, that's for sure. The DQM-9s I had in the system were I think 4-5dB more efficient. I know I've had to turn the preamp up higher for the Vandys. Still have plenty of power on tap though (courtesy of Nelson Pass).

    I had a rather disturbing demo of these particular speakers, though. The owner of course had boxes all over the place, and not much furniture left. The speakers were plugged into an Onkyo home theater receiver, and a phone was the music source. Ugh. But he knew full well that his equipment never could do them justice, and didn't use them much. They were handed down to him.

    They need new "socks" (a pain, but doable--they have a few tiny holes, and have some faint dust/dirt I can't seem to remove) but otherwise, they're functioning quite well. I could theoretically redo the end caps as well, but these aren't in bad shape. I've had the volume up--no rattles, no malfunctioning drivers.

    I'm more a planar/electrostatic guy, but the Vandys sure do a lot right. :agree: I'm hoping they make an appearance at AXPONA next April, as I've wanted to hear other models like the 3A, Treo or Quatro.

    I can easily say that a used 2CE is worth a look if anyone is seeking a really affordable audiophile speaker. Just be patient--the deals are out there. The only ones I would avoid are the earlier 2 series (2, and maybe the 2CI) as they used foam surrounds--I'd have to check to be sure at which point they changed over. The 2CEs and beyond all use rubber surrounds.
     
  17. DeeInKY

    DeeInKY Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Old CRTs are just millstones. Charities around here won't take them. There was a place down by Ft. Knox that would let people use them for target practice. Good way to work off frustration I guess. :shrug:
     
  18. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

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    I have to admit--as much as I was into video for a while, I never saw the end of CRTs coming. Even rear projection sets used three tubes. I can't say it's a bad thing, but on the other hand, there are probably millions of perfectly good CRTs being dumped right now, and they're really not good for anything. Computers now use DVI or even HDMI video, and just about all TVs are HDMI capable as well.
     
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  19. Bobberman

    Bobberman Well-Known Member

    Very true my vizio 24 inch flat screen uses both HDMI And other traditional video components and RGB Never in the history of tvs and video have we ben able to connect multiple sources into One Tv ( at least thats been my experience with only being able to connect a VHS recorder and having cable tv connected through that VCR How times have changed.
     
  20. KentTeffeteller

    KentTeffeteller Active Member


    Rudy, your mentioning of Klipschorns is a sign you're my kind of man in thoughts. That or for me Dual Concentric Tannoys is my idea of loudspeakers for life. Those don't have to be upgraded to other speakers. Maintain them. Given my space considerations in Klipsch, the Heresy or Forte is sensible and domestically easy to live with. Or smaller B&W or KEF.
     
  21. KentTeffeteller

    KentTeffeteller Active Member

    Yes, make sure your gear is serviced and in proper order before you condemn it. I service my long term gear to that mindset.
     

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