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Official Review [Album]: "A KIND OF HUSH" (SP-4581)

Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by Chris May, Jul 1, 2013.

HOW WOULD YOU RATE THIS ALBUM?

  1. ***** (BEST)

    5 vote(s)
    7.6%
  2. ****

    14 vote(s)
    21.2%
  3. ***

    38 vote(s)
    57.6%
  4. **

    8 vote(s)
    12.1%
  5. *

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
  1. adam

    adam Active Member

    Hi
    What The Carpenters needed was a great song that was irestistable to radio
     
  2. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Thanks John (above, post #425) for reminding me of the chart success of Muskrat Love.
    Now, that brought back memories--how I detested that song back then !
    Well, I took another listen a few minutes ago--horrible song, still.
    And, Muskrat Love charted very successfully !

    Late 1976, The Carpenters were simply out-of-favor.
    Now, how do I square that with the apparent excellent Nielsen rating of the
    Carpenters' Very First Television Special ?
     
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  3. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    I’ve read articles and interviews with people about this very phenomenon. It’s said that people would happily tune in to watch the TV specials but would just not go out and buy the records. I think that’s partly to do with the fact that earlier fans had “outgrown” their music as they had gotten older and their music tastes had changed, together with the fact that, for the main part, there was never any new single to promote on these specials. They dredged up all the material from their earlier albums. That’s especially the case with the first TV special. We got Superstar, Rainy Days and Mondays, Close To You, Top Of The World, medley of hits - and no new single.
     
  4. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member

    I still maintain that after Passage, even the (some would say but not me) mediocre solo album by Karen would have been the perfect tool to make programmers and listeners alike listen to Karen (and then the duo) with fresh ears.
     
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  5. John Tkacik

    John Tkacik Active Member

    And lest we forget that other hit of animal magnetism that was also burning up the charts at that same time: The Disco Duck. The culture had more love for dancing ducks and randy rodents than they had for Karen and Richard!
     
  6. Don't underestimate the effect of the monster SINGLES 1969-1973 on sales. It sold a humongous amount of albums - and there was a feeling back then that if a "greatest hits" album was issued, then that's all you needed from that particular artist. If someone wasn't deep into Carpenters album tracks and only wanted the hits, SINGLES 1969-1973 gave many all they needed.

    And then there's the ebb and flow factor. All artists - all artists - have a rise to a peak and then a drop off. Some occasionally re-invent and recover briefly, but then fade away again. Carpenters had their huge hit-making years from 1970 to 1974 or so where they could do no wrong. A few more forays into the top twenty would accentuate their ultimate decline. I'm sure that had they stayed healthy, they'd have had more peaks as time went on.
     
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  7. John Adam

    John Adam "waitin' for the music"

    I've been observing the discussion on this thread and find it very interesting. Harry brought up a good point.
    The average USA fan may have had enough of the Carpenters by 1976. I think Solitaire, as wonderful of a performance as it is, was the start of the "their just to mellow for pop radio" phase. They put out some great music after that, and were always embraced here by Adult Complementary radio. But they play timeless music, rather than trendy, like disco. Even a song like Only Yesterday. Would that have been a hit for the Carpenters in 1976 or 1977? Had Karen lived I think that their legacy would of been quite different. Look at the success of Donny and Marie in their later years in Los Vegas. Despite the lack of hits, they maintained a large fan base, because they are still both active in the industry. Plus are they any more hip or cool than the Carpenters were??? Hardly. :)
     
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  8. Jeff

    Jeff Well-Known Member

    Way way back then in 1971 my CarpenterS Fanclub newsletters came each month like clockwork. It was quite some time later when they became quarterly.





    F4
     
  9. I want to clarify that even back in 1975 or thereabouts, it would have been extremely rare to have a DJ in any major market with the power to choose records to play. The playlists of stations were controlled by the music or program director at these big stations. Little mom and pop radio stations were where you could find some DJs with the power to pick and choose records.

    So if a song like "Goofus" wasn't on the approved playlist, there was precious little a DJ could do to play it, even if requested. Other "radio-isms" that may have been in play is the idea of dayparting. A friendly record promoter from A&M might twist a PD's arm to get them to play a record like "All You Get From Love Is A Love Song" and the PD would maybe oblige by putting it on the list, but then when program logs were prepared, the song might be buried in the late nights or overnights so as not to hurt the ratings in the main money dayparts. The PD could then show the promoter, "Look, your record got 18 plays over the last two weeks, but it's not getting any traction." The promoter is happy, the PD is happy. But the record went nowhere. Of course not - very few people heard it!
     
  10. Bobberman

    Bobberman Well-Known Member

    That's the way Commercial radio worked then but today it's run by consultants and bean counters but thankfully I'm still at one of the very few freeform stations left where the Dj s still choose and program the music and we do have a few carpenter's records in the library but I own the CDS and I usually use my CDS because sadly the records weren't cared for very well
     
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  11. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    I like reading about the internal functioning of radio stations.
    That opens my eyes to a number of avenues.
    The primary takeaway here (for me) is that Goofus may likely never have been placed into rotation
    by the program director. It would not have been chosen, not played, not heard by the public.
    Would any song by The Carpenters have been chosen--in late 1976, for radio play ?
    I realize the album, Hush, takes a beating.
    But, after all these years (and, I am listening to the entire album song sequentially, this morning):
    the album is not bad. It is soft, to be sure. But, it does have its own personality.
    I've always liked the album.
    It has its highlights.
     
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  12. That depended on the station of course. Radio was beginning to fragment into specialized formats, so a station that was leaning toward soft rock sounds would naturally play any current Carpenters record - as long as it fit the format. The first stations that broke away from Carpenters were the ones that leaned toward rock or disco, and that includes the big Top 40 stations in the big markets. That created a sort of dichotomy in radio where a station where you could hear a Carpenters record was deemed as un-hip. The hip stations (and hip wannabees) of the day in the late 70s even created local promos that guaranteed that you wouldn't hear such soft stuff as Carpenters or Bread on their stations.
     
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  13. David A

    David A Well-Known Member

    ^^ Harry that jogged a memory - I specifically remember radio stations running ad campaigns where a voice-over would say something akin to "IS THIS what you want!? And play a quick 10 second medley of Bread, the Carpenters, or like bands. Then a loud needle scratch sound, and "well turn the channel, because we play THIS!! And then a medley of rock bands. Had forgotten that stuff.
     
  14. And it was usually the line "...sprinkled moondust in your hair..."
     
  15. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

  16. Closer is the original recorded version:

     
  17. Bobberman

    Bobberman Well-Known Member

    I heard Goofus played on only one radio station and it was an Automated Easy listening station which played all that their pre programmed tapes had to offer. And then the station switched to oldies and later talk radio but at least i could always count on hearing The Carpenters on an easy listening station Even The Instrumental cover versions too
     
  18. I remember, after "Touch Me When We're Dancing" left the charts and "Want You Back In My Life Again" was released, calling the local radio station and requesting the latter. After all, "Touch Me..." went to No. 16 so, naturally, I thought the follow-up would also get airplay. However, when I requested "Want You...," they DJ's actually LAUGHED AT ME and said, in not so few words, "ain't gonna happen." I couldn't wrap my mind around, not only the rudeness but, that they played "Touch Me..." and completely disregarded and mocked "Want You.."
     
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  19. Maybe they just thought that people were lucky to hear one Carpenters comeback single and that anyone wanting the station to play more was just pushing something that was never going to happen. I don't think it had anything to do with the quality of songs, just that they wanted to be assholes and laugh at someone who wanted more of a band considered old-hat.
     
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