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Official Review [Album]: "LOVELINES" (SP-3931)

Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by Chris May, Oct 31, 2013.

HOW WOULD YOU RATE THIS ALBUM?

  1. ***** (BEST)

    10 vote(s)
    16.1%
  2. ****

    35 vote(s)
    56.5%
  3. ***

    8 vote(s)
    12.9%
  4. **

    8 vote(s)
    12.9%
  5. *

    1 vote(s)
    1.6%
  1. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    I think that’s because they’re mixed very low in the background compared to the usual Carpenters overdubs. They do become slightly more audible on the next line “is that you’re mine”.
     
  2. John Adam

    John Adam Member

    Lovelines. Special times. Great leftovers, worth a second helping! Four (!!!) solo songs from Karen's shelved solo album. Jackpot! :) One of the essential releases from the Carpenters culled from 1977-1980. I think it comes across as a good studio album, nothing seeming really out of place, and works well with Karen's solo material. Evidently Richard must of accepted these songs more than the powers at A&M, or why would they be here? I find it interesting that four "Karen" tracks show up on a Carpenters album, when we now know that more Carpenters material was still in the can. Or was it just easier to use these tracks rather than complete other unfinished tracks?

    But I'm not arguing, just enjoying! These are some of the strongest Carpenters tracks released in the 1980's, period.
     
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  3. John Adam

    John Adam Member

    (In reference to the LP Lovelines 1989)
    Does anyone have any facts or theories about this?
    This just kind of slipped out of my head yesterday, and I don't know if it's been discussed previously or not, or if anyone even questioned this?
     
  4. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    I don't think anyone knows the definitive answer as to why Richard decided to include tracks from Karen's solo album on the last Carpenters studio release, especially given that he and A&M deemed the album unreleasable at the time. He doesn't give any indication as to the reason why in the liner notes for Lovelines. Whilst I'm glad he included them, I think it's still an insult to Karen that he felt they were worthy of release in 1989 (albeit only with his personal remixing) after telling her the album was "sh*t" in 1980. Who knows. Maybe he felt they were the best of the bunch and with a little work could be spruced up. Maybe he thought the other as-yet unreleased Carpenters tracks wouldn't fit the mood of the album. Maybe this was his way of relenting to Carpenters fans hounding him for the last piece of Karen's legacy by giving them a taster. Whatever the reason, the fact that he did include these tracks, and those on From The Top, only served to intensify the demand from the fans that he release the entire album in its finished form. And I'm glad we finally got it.
     
  5. ars nova

    ars nova Active Member

    I expect that after the hammering he received from the public and wanting to maximize sales, he included the tracks.
     
  6. John Adam

    John Adam Member

    Was the album marketed with the knowledge that there were Karen solo tracks on this Carpenters album?
     
  7. ars nova

    ars nova Active Member

    by this time, there was very little marketing. I happened to be in a mall and my spidey sense directed me to what was in the old days called a " record store ", the clerk told me it had just arrived. that day it was only the lp that was on display.
     
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  8. John Adam

    John Adam Member

    lol. I've been rummaging record stores since I was a child. That's how I found lots of my "stuff." I do believe it was their only vinyl copy though. CD's were big by then, and if I'm not mistaken, wasn't that the last new Carpenters release that was pressed on Vinyl? I have it too! :) My clue was when I picked up my CD and it said of course *produced by Richard Carpenter. Then under that **produced by Phil Ramone. ??? But I didn't know their was a solo album until I read Richard's (always wonderful) liner notes. Then confused, solo album, but where is it? I looked through old Billboard magazines (thank you Paul Grein) and eventually found the answer. No instant gratification in the pre-internet days!

    Thank you @ars nova :)
     
  9. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Well-Known Member

    Yes it was. I have a marketing package for the album. Plus the single “If I Had You” was put out as a Karen Carpenter solo single (although the “B-side” was credited to the Carpenters).
     
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  10. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Well-Known Member

    I’ve played the cassette of “If I Had You/The Uninvited Guest” a few times now. Funny thing is it seems to have a jazzier mix for “If I Had You” than I’ve heard on the pink promo CD or the “Lovelines” mix that appears on “Lovelines” and “Interpretations”. The brass instruments seem to be more forward in the mix and brighter than on the CD versions. I wonder if it’s an earlier remix that Richard was thinking of but then changed his mind on the jazzier mix and buried the brass for a more pop mix. Maybe that’s why the cassette single is so rare—Richard had it pulled or cancelled after a short print run.
     
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  11. Are you playing it with Dolby B on or off?
     
  12. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Well-Known Member

    Both. Most of the time I turn off the Dolby as I find it compresses the dynamics to much. But I’ve also tried it on a few ghettoblasters as well that don’t have the option.
     
  13. I think it's fairly typical that many listeners to commercially recorded cassettes will turn off the Dolby B processing as it seems "dull" with it turned on. I know I've done that with the few purchased cassettes that I've had.

    With Dolby off, you're hearing an emphasis in certain higher frequencies, which would probably account for the perception of the brass being louder.

    When I want to digitize a cassette, I've found that I have to switch the Dolby off, and then with software in the computer, attempt to compensate for the exaggerated highs.
     

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