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Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by Simon KC1950, Jul 31, 2018.

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  1. Jamesj75

    Jamesj75 Well-Known Member

    Rick, I realize that you might not see my post right away, but I am so glad you made these points. I have felt the same way, particularly once the lineup of songs for this release was delineated weeks ago. In fact, I purposely avoided this thread once there was speculation, then confirmation, of the song lineup --- for a time. For me, it was enough to know that a new release was in the works. I admit that I was initially leery because I thought it would be strictly an instrumental release. So, thanks to this thread, I learned that we would indeed be hearing Karen's voice --- and that was music to my ears!

    The days of hearing a new Carpenters' song on the radio and then going to the record store to buy it, or casually walking into a record store and stumbling on a new Carpenters' album, are long gone. It's a different world now with the Internet and social media, as others have eloquently pointed out. I should also indicate that I certainly appreciate the participation and contributions of @John Eidsvoog. How often do we hear directly from an insider, let alone someone working directly and contemporaneously with Richard? No matter how many details about this forthcoming release I stumble on here, I further and undoubtedly appreciate the shared enthusiasm about this new release.
  2. scottb

    scottb Member

    If that 2 minute clip is the real deal I'm bummed as I would wanted to use the studio recording of 'I Need To Be In Love' That song is in my top 3 favorites and I think it would sound better if the studio vocal was used.
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  3. John Adam

    John Adam leis around my neck

    I understand, it's one of my top 3 favorites too! It is possible though this other recording from 1978 is a studio recording and it may not sound better than the original "Hush" master, but it will be something different. Think of "Make Believe" from her solo album without the choir in the room. This is the opportunity to hear Karen sing "Need" in a more intimate way. I don't think you'll end up being disappointed. :)
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  4. Simon KC1950

    Simon KC1950 Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    I think I prefer this version... At 1:07 it sounds so modern, sleek and classy.

    Love how she holds the "I knooooow I neeeeeeeeeeed to be in love" part
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  5. John Adam

    John Adam leis around my neck

    I like them equally. Has she ever sung this song badly? But I agree when she holds the note in NEED it is a highlight of this version. Hearing it without the applause just about makes it perfect!
  6. I've been asked to not comment here about the RPO project, but I feel compelled to at least mention that the videos I listened to here of "I Need To Be In Love" did not match the score that was recorded in London.
  7. CarpentersToYou

    CarpentersToYou What I feel has come and gone before...

    Well, John, thanks for sharing all that you did. It certainly was appreciated and made a lot of nerdy Carpenters fans happy. It was great having a real news outlet instead of the lame facebook posts that repost what everyone already knows.
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  8. scottb

    scottb Member

    So will the studio version of Karens vocals be used? I really appreciate you posting here. Any news on a release date?

    Many Thanks

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  9. This type of situation has driven me nuts over the past few decades with the Carpenters music. Why all the secrecy? If this version, that we have all been listening to the past couple of days, is not real, shouldn't a certain someone just tell us !?! It amazes me how certain artists treat their fans at times. Why not just allow Mr. Eidsvoog to continue to educate us about the RPO project without ruining it for us. That can be done you know. Just advise us when something is not right so everyone is on the same page. Life is so short and there are many more important things in life. Sorry folks, it just drives me nuts.
  10. ThaFunkyFakeTation

    ThaFunkyFakeTation Ah am so steel een luv weeth yoo

    He can't comment further. We'll just have to wait to see.

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  11. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    Thank you @John Eidsvoog, we appreciate all that you have given so far in terms of input.

    @Rick-An Ordinary Fool it’s safe to come back out now :)
  12. Simon KC1950

    Simon KC1950 Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Thank you @John Eidsvoog . we have all really appreciated your input (we hope you didn't get into any trouble) thanks again !
  13. Simon KC1950

    Simon KC1950 Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    So what are we thinking this will be classified as? Studio album or compilation.

    At first I thought Compilation... But it's clear a lot more work is going into this compared to the average compilation, and considering that it's all new recordings (and potentially new vocals - John only said it was the "scores" that was were wrong)

    I feel like all the work into this, it deserves the status of being a "studio album"
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  14. Harry

    Harry Charter A&M Corner Member Moderator

    I was pretty sure that video was not official. All you have to do is listen to it with headphones. You'll hear Karen's voice vacillating between left and right. The orchestra is spread out too much and isn't quite right sounding to me. That's why I said I was skeptical.
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  15. John Adam

    John Adam leis around my neck

    @John Eidsvoog Thank you for what you did do to inform us! It's too easy to jump to conclusions, but it was fun while it lasted. :) Now the waiting game begins officially, as it should be. And the wise man at A&M Corner trusted his instinct and was right again!

    Boy people go through a lot of effort to make fake things. They must get a lot of satisfaction from watching people's reactions. Now if they could put all that effort into doing something good for the world or their community!
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  16. Simon KC1950

    Simon KC1950 Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    We thought that the fake was good (it's a pretty good fake) ... So just think how good the real thing will be !
  17. Jeff

    Jeff Well-Known Member

    Complaining already? Suffering through shattered expectations? I trust that Members who fit the shoe...you know who you are...are trying to perpetuate what exactly? You guys dont appear to realize that these repeated, repetitive displays of CarpenterS associated angst are woefully apparent to me. Objectively speaking. Oh yes, respectfully speaking. There are throngs of supporters who will review the musical prowess. However, this armchair critic stuff is negative. Broadcasting doubt and dismay on a CarpenterS forum no less doesn't not serve promotion or does it?
    Silly question. I asked a silly question looking for a silly answer. I'm understanding afterall I am a giver. Just my nature.
    Remember: not wishin' and hopin' for a new release ain't gonna get us a new release. It was this shadow that lingered throughout Karen and Richard's recording careers.
    Fortunately the phenomenon that begat CarpenterS is relative today. Sales are consistent and profitable and generally well- received.
    Howza 'bout leaving the hard-ass critic jazz in journalism class.
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  18. A&M Retro

    A&M Retro Well-Known Member

    Whoever assembled this track did an outstanding job, but I can’t see this being on the album. But that vocal is just amazing either way. Karen knocked it out of the park! And you can see how proud she is of her performance at the end.
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  19. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member

    So I based my leave on Tony's post here that Randy Schmidt had confirmed the first video clip was in fact from the RPO sessions. When I listened to it, I personally thought something was off especially the orchestra in different parts didn't seen authentic or rhythmically correct. I blame myself because I'm the one that clicked to listen to it but afterwards that night I felt bad that I was surprised before the actual release. Then I'm tagged....it's confirmed from John E that this video did not match the score from the London session. So I feel a bit relieved although I do hope this live track is used on the final product but I'd be happy with the studio vocal either way.
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  20. Mike Blakesley

    Mike Blakesley Well-Known Member Moderator

    It's possible since he was told to clam-up, he stopped reading this thread so as not to be tempted.

    Artists might be closed-mouthed about their projects before they're released because they don't want to over-hype the expectations. Or maybe they're just weird that way. Who knows? But can you imagine if they released a track list ahead-of-time and then some certain track didn't work out after all, it would just unleash a fury of complaints about why that track was excluded or why the track-list was "inaccurate." Or any of a myriad of possibilities.

    I'm on our local fair board, and since we're a small town we tend to book a lot of "classic" acts (mostly country), and even though some of these guys haven't had a hit in 20 years or more, you wouldn't BELIEVE how sensitive some of them are about what photo gets used, when information is released, and how they're promoted. You'd think they'd be happy enough just to get the work. Maybe Richard just doesn't want everyone to over-expect or over-analyze.
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  21. David A

    David A Well-Known Member

    ^^ It's not surprising that artists like to have control over how and when their work is presented. That's pretty typical, and IMO, understandable.
  22. In response to the many speculations of the IKINTBIL "video" and it's authenticity to the RPO project; well, I listened to it about five times. Stunning as it is (and it IS quite stunning), the "orchestral" part sounds very much "manufactured" through either a synthesizer or electronic keyboard reproducing the strings and horns; thus, my completely unprofessional assessment is that it is NOT authentic, but a work of love by someone else. Again, Karen's performance here is hauntingly beautiful. It would be cool if this take was included on the RPO, but the video here is just fine. I will enjoy it for many years to come.
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  23. Don Malcolm

    Don Malcolm Well-Known Member

    IMO, the best news is that Richard is clearly having an incredible amount of fun, pulling together a timely and most welcome reminder of the lasting beauty of the Carpenters' singular sound, in a format that will showcase Karen in a way that can only reinforce what we all know already: she was the best...then, now, and forever! The smile on Richard's face these days looks 100% unforced and almost beatific--and I predict we'll all have our own version of it just as soon as this labor of love is in our hot little hands!!
  24. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    The question is how did the person who posted this video get hold of the audio without the audience applause at the end?
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2018
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