Classic AOTW Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass FOURSIDER (SP-3521)

Discussion in 'The Beat of The Brass: Herb Alpert/Tijuana Brass' started by Harry, Apr 27, 2012.

How would you rate FOURSIDER as a compilation?

  1. ***** Perfect

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  2. **** Very Good

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  3. *** Good

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  4. ** Poor

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  5. * Extremely Poor

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  6. I've never heard of it

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  1. Harry

    Harry Charter A&M Corner Member Moderator Thread Starter

    A&M SP-3521

    Released as SP-3251, later renumbered SP-6011, and issued on CD as CD-6011

    Track listing:

    Side One
    1. THE LONELY BULL (Sol Lake) 2:14
    2. MORE (Ortalana-Oliviero) 2:26
    3. THE GIRL FROM IPANEMA (Gimbel-Jobim-De Moraes) 2:36
    4. HELLO DOLLY (Jerry Herman) 1:55
    5. A TASTE OF HONEY (Scott-Marlow) 2:42
    6. WHIPPED CREAM (Naomi Neville) 2:32

    Side Two
    7. TIJUANA TAXI (Ervan Coleman) 2:05
    8. ZORBA THE GREEK (Mikis Theodorakis) 4:23
    9. IF I WERE A RICH MAN (Harnick-Bock) 2:34
    10. WHAT NOW MY LOVE (Becaud-Sigman) 2:15
    11. THE SHADOW OF YOUR SMILE (Mandel-Webster) 3:29

    Side Three
    12. MAME (Jerry Herman) 2:07
    13. WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS (J.Lennon-P.McCartney) 2:44
    14. CASINO ROYALE (B.Bacharach-H.David) 2:35
    15. CABARET (J. Kander-F.Ebb) 2:40
    16. THIS GUY'S IN LOVE WITH YOU (B.Bacharach-H.David) 3:59

    Side Four
    17. MOON RIVER (Henry Mancini-Johnny Mercer) 2:55
    18. SUNNY (Bobby Hebb) 3:09
    19. WARM (Julius Wechter) 2:32
    20. WITHOUT HER (Harry Nilsson) 3:22
    21. LAST TANGO IN PARIS (Gato Barbieri) 2:46


    Compiled and edited by
    Claire Baren and Richard Burns
    Art Direction by Roland Young
    Concept and Design by Junie Osaki
    Illustrations by Jim Gilbert

    A&M Records, Inc.
    P.O.Box 782, Beverly Hills, Calif. 90213
    Printed in U.S.A.
  2. Harry

    Harry Charter A&M Corner Member Moderator Thread Starter

    Incredibly, we've never had a thread or threads devoted to the FOURSIDER series, so in this 50th Anniversary year, I thought it was a good time to look back at them, using our Classic Album Of The Week format.

    The copyright date on my Alpert FOURSIDER is 1973, so I'm assuming that's the year it came out. I have a CD of this title, as well as an SP-6011 LP and an SP-3521 LP. All three have the angled track listing on the front cover, though I've seen some FOURSIDER images where the titles are not printed - just plain black. My LPs of Baja, Mendes, and Sandpipers are all 35xx series, all are die-cut promotional, and none have angled titles on the front. My Mendes CD (6012) has the angled titles.

    I always thought highly of the Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass FOURSIDER. As a CD, it provided us with digital tracks not found elsewhere.

  3. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

    My Foursider was an early pressing, and does not have the track titles on the front.

    Most notable was the curious (at the time) appearance of "Last Tango in Paris." Little did we know that a new TJB album would follow just a short time later.
  4. Harry

    Harry Charter A&M Corner Member Moderator Thread Starter

    Is that the chain of events? First the titles were missing, and later they appeared? I guess that makes sense - I've got three promo versions with no titles, and my stock Alpert HAS titles.

  5. It is surprising to me that Spanish Flea didn't make it onto this album.
  6. Harry

    Harry Charter A&M Corner Member Moderator Thread Starter

    Perhaps Herb omitted "Spanish Flea", saving it instead for Julius' entry in the series since he wrote it. It's interesting to note that while Herb's FOURSIDER is in pretty close to chronological order, none of the others are.

  7. martin

    martin Active Member

    Yes, I have always thought of it as a chronologically built collection that avoided some of the really big hits, maybe because "Greatest Hits" was still in print and also most of the TJB catalog?
    In these years several collections of TJB material came out here in Europe, like "This Guy's In Love With You" (1971) and "Cabaret" (1973) on budget labels (A & M "Mayfair" and "Karusell") and these tended also to mix a few of the big hits with lesser known material.

    - greetings from the north -
  8. Harry

    Harry Charter A&M Corner Member Moderator Thread Starter

    "Spanish Flea" (combined with "One Note Samba") also appears on the Mendes FOURSIDER.
  9. Captain Bacardi

    Captain Bacardi Well-Known Member Moderator

    I got this when it first came out. On my copy the titles were on a removable little sleeve on the bottom of the LP. I've been very careful in keeping that sleeve preserved over the years.

    Some of these titles marked the first time that I heard these, particularly the tracks from Ninth, Warm and Brass Are Comin'. I soon received BAC for Christmas after getting this compilation.

    Capt. Bacardi
  10. Harry

    Harry Charter A&M Corner Member Moderator Thread Starter

    Interesting. It's like these were released without hammering out all of the artwork details.

    I'm guessing I must have bought the Alpert FOURSIDER pretty late in the game. My better-condition purchased copy is the SP-6011 version. It's got plain-white innersleeves, and the record labels are the silver-and-tan scheme.

    My other copy I think came in an eBay lot. It's got a chewed up jacket at the top. plain brown, glossy innersleeves with only an A&M logo and SP 3521 on them. The labels on that one are stock ochre.

    Both have angled track titles printed right on the front in brown-on-black.

  11. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

    The first pressings would have inner sleeves that match the color on the front cover; I have at least two on vinyl (TJB and Sandpipers), and both are like this, and neither have the tracks listed on the front cover IIRC. Tan labels, of course.
  12. Harry

    Harry Charter A&M Corner Member Moderator Thread Starter

    Now the plain black borders make a little more sense if a paper obi-like cover were used under the shrink-wrap.
  13. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

    I am guessing the added song titles were a marketing gimmick. Having familiar songs listed on the front may have sparked more sales. I like the clean look without the titles (which IMHO make it look like an advertisement).
  14. Mike Blakesley

    Mike Blakesley Well-Known Member Moderator

    My copy has the song titles only on the back, but I don't remember any Obi-like sleeve with the titles. Maybe it was only added to the first run, or something. Then when they ran out of strips, they printed the titles on the cover.

    I remember being disappointed that there was nothing in the way of liner notes inside. Avid reader that I was (and still am), I was hoping for some kind of writeup on the band, but just plain colored was nice to have something "special," but it was pretty boring! Understandable though, since liner notes had long gone out of fashion by then.

    Greatest Hits was indeed still in print when Foursider came out so you could be right. Or another possibility I always considered: Somebody forgot! :wink:
  15. Dave

    Dave Well-Known Member

    Not a 'Perfect' set, nor anything I could consider 'Poor'... As for being a "must-have", it's the closest to a five-or-six record retrospective set by a certain Elvis, that you can say this is almost in a league with...

    (Elvis Aron Presley, consisting of some rarities & some already-had songs, is what I'm referring to, here...)

    Does what a typical 'Four Sider' of this breed, even for Herb would do, at least offering a few well-known songs, plus a rarity here and there, while not strictly making it 'All About Hits...!'...

    -- Dave
  16. junglero

    junglero Member

    I own the BMB "Foursider" and it came with the obi strip (which I also still have). That was the only one I bought on vinyl and I'm glad I did since it was the only "Foursider" that didn't make it to CD :sad: Any idea why the BMB "Foursider" got passed over?
  17. Harry

    Harry Charter A&M Corner Member Moderator Thread Starter

    I don't think that The Sandpipers FOURSIDER was ever issued on CD either. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

    Here's a picture from a current eBay auction of that Sandpipers FOURSIDER LP with the lower obi-type strip:


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  18. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

    I never saw the Sandpipers Foursider on CD. Then again, one CD of theirs is enough audio valium for one sitting. :biglaugh:
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  19. junglero

    junglero Member

    Maybe the Sandpipers and the BMB Foursiders got passed over for CD issues? I don't recall that the Sandpipers got a volume in the A&M Classics series, either :tongue:
  20. Captain Bacardi

    Captain Bacardi Well-Known Member Moderator

    The unfortunate reality is that there probably wasn't much of a market for CD releases of these two here in the U.S.

    Capt. Bacardi
  21. Mr Bill

    Mr Bill Gentlemanly Curmudgeon Moderator

    The Baja and Sandpiper 4-Siders were neither released on CD nor reissued in the 6xxx series. When they were first released the songs weren't printed at an angle -- they were on an obi-like strip wrapped horizontally around the LP, as pictured on the Sandpipers image above. Oddly that pone has both the obi AND the words at an angle. I think it's either the result of going to press at a time they were transitioning fomr the obi to the printed song titles, or the seller has accidentall mixed the two versions together.

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    I've always sort of considered Phil Ochs' Chords of Fame double album on A&M (with half the tracks courtesy of Elektra Records) to be The Phil Ochs Foursider.
  22. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

    It would not surprise me if a dealer at some point swapped covers, sleeves and even the records.
  23. Harry

    Harry Charter A&M Corner Member Moderator Thread Starter

    I'm re-opening this old thread with something of a quandary. Over at the Steve Hoffman forum, Steve himself maintains that there's a stereo remix of "Tijuana Taxi" that Herb did for one of these GREATEST HITS-type albums. At first he thought it was the orange GH album, but later in the thread he changed it to the "one with the titles printed around the border" which we surmise to be FOURSIDER.

    SH Spotlight - Compact Disc mastering: 1980's vs. "newly remastered"--Steve's thoughts in 2003 and 2018

    I hear a difference between the LP of FOURSIDER's "Tijuana Taxi" and the one on the CD. Does anyone else hear anything that could be called a "remix"? One thing I'm convinced of - "Tijuana Taxi" on the LP of FOURSIDER sounds really good.

    One thing I'm focusing on is the placement of the bassy kick-drum, particularly at the open. On most stereo versions on CD, I hear that bassy sound all coming from the left. On the FOURSIDER LP, I hear it more balanced between the left and right channels. Could this be the key to this "Herb remix"?
  24. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

    I don't think I've played the Foursider LP since the 70s, and I can't even remember if I bought the CD.

    I know the Foursider Brasil 66 CD sounds terrible.
  25. Harry

    Harry Charter A&M Corner Member Moderator Thread Starter

    If you can, give a listen to the LP. It sounds like a pretty good mastering to me.

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