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Interesting Finds in the Mook Book

Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by Rick-An Ordinary Fool, Jun 29, 2013.

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  1. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    I noticed some interesting pictures in the mook book, most of this book is written in Japanese.

    First off, I noticed a 45 single listed in a section titled "Prelude 1946-1968" now this pic is super small but with a magnifying glass I can clearly see a Russell label showing it to be a 45 then Karen Carpenter and the song "We'll Be Together" Does this appear to be real or a mock up?

    Then I noticed an alternate shot of Offering I had not seen. I know there are alternates of Richard in the white shirt with hands out but I had not seen this one, groovey pants of Richard's, huh? It looks like the same scenery, I wonder if this was a possible choice for the cover?

    Lastly, there is this incredible photo of Karen from her solo sessions. I have seen it many times before but not of this clarity and full size (more with showing her hair) I first scaned it as a photo which tends to use slightly more color and saturation. I then decided to scan it as a mag photo and it turned out less saturated and brighter. The outfit she is wearing tells us this was from her solo sessions photo shoot. I was zooming in on the photo and although yes she is thin, she still has this incredible beauty.
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  2. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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  3. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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  4. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member

    WOW! and DOUBLE WOW!
     
  5. A&M Retro

    A&M Retro Well-Known Member

    Wow. Incredible job on the scans!

    I'll bet Russell was a local record label that manufactured vinyl copies of their recordings. Interesting that Richard has never mentioned them in previous interviews.

    The shot of K&R in the park appears to be from late 1970. It's not the same day as 'Offering' because Richard's hair is much longer, and Karen is sporting her famous bangs.
     
  6. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    WOW! Thanks for posting Chris. It's quite a day for rare finds, have you seen my other post yet :wink:

    First I've ever heard of a Russell label KC single release. And definitely Richard has never mentioned this before in any article or interview. I wonder if it is real?
     
  7. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Thanks A&M Retro, your right that photo was not from the Offering sessions, my mistake.

    I was hoping someone here read Japanese and could deciper what it says regarding this 45.
     
  8. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member


    Sakura is the obvious one who springs to mind :)
     
  9. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Right but I just checked and she was last seen here on April 26 2011. Lol

    Surely someone that visits here can read Japanese. Ha
     
  10. ThaFunkyFakeTation

    ThaFunkyFakeTation Ah am so steel een luv weeth yoo

    Great photos! Wonder where that photo of Richard with the long hair was actually intended to go. Never seen those Karen solo photos looking so good too!

    Ed
     
  11. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    The final page of the Mook, a handwritten letter in English ( by Richard) to the fans, seems to indicate that
    he had an active role in relaying obscure/arcane information to Yuko Ogura for this project. Richard places his role
    for the Mook as an archivist for 'Carpentersphiles'. Thus, I would surmise that the information contained herein is
    probably accurate simply because he wanted historical accuracy. This begs the question: Why no Translation of the
    entire Mook into English?
     
  12. song4u

    song4u Well-Known Member

    Yuko couldn't find a publisher to do an English translation.
     
  13. jaysee

    jaysee New Member

    What a magnificent shot...
    Here's a version with a little less facial glare, etc.

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  14. jaysee

    jaysee New Member

    Hmmm. Image didn't imbed. We'll do it this way:
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    What a magnificent shot...
    Here's a version with a little less facial glare, etc.
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  15. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member

    She looks beautiful.
     
  16. Tony

    Tony Active Member

    I was intrigued by the reference in the opening post in Japanese to two songs, "We'll Be Together" and "Don't Tell Me", on the Russell label, so I asked a friend of mine who speaks Japanese to translate the text. This is what she sent to me:

    Here is the translation.

    Richard started composing around that time. While writing Christmas songs for the Choir, he also wrote popular songs, and had Karen singing those songs though her singing voice was not yet fully developed. When I was shown a record room in Richard's home, I noticed one unfamiliar recording disc placed near the single of Magic Lamp. The label said "We'll Be Together" and "Don't Tell Me". He said "That is what Karen recorded when she was 14. At that time, if you pay some — I do not remember how much — we could have a recording disc made."

    So, this is clearly a recording Karen made BEFORE her Magic Lamp single of tunes Richard had composed. Very intriguing.
     
  17. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Wow, thanks Tony. I never dreamed someone would come back to help interpret those notes. I am going to print your translation and place them inside my Mook book. Please tell your friend how much I appreciate the interpretation.

    I never knew that Karen recorded a track at 14, has Richard ever mentioned this in any of the interviews or books written other than the Mook? So this sorta means that Richard knew at that age Karen could have the talent to sing? New stuff to me....Man...I'd love to hear those recordings. :)
     
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  18. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    To my knowledge, he has never mentioned this in any interview to date. It's definitely news to me. Amazing stuff!
     
  19. Tony

    Tony Active Member

    You're welcome Chris. I'll tell my friend Junko you said "thanks". Like you, I'm really pleased to learn something completely new and unexpected. I'd love to hear those two songs, and I wonder how many copies of the recording exist. I sure hope Richard has made backups! Now, whether or not we fans ever get to hear them is another story.

    It's interesting to me also that this information has clearly been available to Japanese fans for years via the Mook, but it hasn't made its way to us until now. I guess information doesn't flow as freely across cultural and linguistic lines as I thought.
     
  20. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    This is the cover of another japanese record collector magazine from 1996.
    It has a discography and biography of the duo, but, all is in japanese, of course.
    There are photos of all the 45 Single picture sleeves and the japan lp releases.
    Like the Mook, it could hold interesting information, if translated.
    Scan0019.jpg
     
  21. moog

    moog Member

    VERY cool! I wonder if the record has Karen singing in a "high voice" or a "low voice?" (The latter supposedly didn't happen until "You'll Love Me," when her low voice "popped out.")

    Can anyone with the Mook scan the pages, then see if we can "crowdsource" a Japanese translation of it? I have a few friends that know Japanese too.
     
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  22. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    My guess it would be her high voice. I can't get over how this info was tucked away inside The MOOK and many fans here just found out about it on this thread. So Richard actually paid to have a 45 pressed of these 2 tracks and in the picture is this 45. These must be completed full songs and here we have yet more "unburied treasure" that is waiting to be heard. I can't understand why Richard never talked about this....I had no idea Karen recorded her voice at 14 years of age 2 completed songs on a 45. I'd imagine this was done only for Richard and Karen's collection but holy cow it's interesting stuff!!!!

    I also wonder were these songs covered by other artists or strictly written for Karen to sing? Has anyone ever heard of these titles?
     
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  23. Jeff

    Jeff Well-Known Member

    Well sounds like the army of CarpenterS have some work to do. I had no clue about the Russell label stuff. As Karen Carpenter no less.
    Imagine being a 14 y/o superstar in the making. The backlash against the oft reminded 'a drummer who sings' began earlier than we originally thought no doubt. BUT BUT MOM, I'm not deliberately out-singing the piano....Poor thing jeeeez. This just reminded me of the KC STORY tv movie scene detailing the KC RCA contract fiasco wherein Aggie invalidates Karen with a hatchet.

    Side note: remember you can IGNORE me if'n ya wanna.

    Jeff
     
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  24. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    I'm just talking off the top of my head but doesn't this change everyone's perception of Karen's early work. I mean for Karen to have recorded 2 songs and Richard to have gone to the expense of pressing it to a 45 Richard must have known at age 14 Karen had a voice. I never knew it was so early this happened.
     
  25. Nicko

    Nicko Active Member

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    John Bettis said in the Tennesean interview that Karen had "that" voice at the age of 16 when he first met her, so who knows how long before that she had developed it!


    Karen aged 14 wouldn't they have been performing in the park in Downey at that time?
     
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