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Holidays! [Live] Part 4: Christmas Medley w/Karen & Bruce 1978 - December, 1978

Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by Chris May, Dec 3, 2017.

  1. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Chris! The things you learn the longer you are on these boards- love it. :wink:
  2. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member

    Chris, what does the date refer to and is that Nov 12, 1978 or Dec 11, 1978. When it's written in numbers sometimes they can get reversed. I thought that this episode aired on Dec 24, 1978 on his show.

    Also is that 5 takes they did for Postman and the 5th one was the master they used?

    Cool stuff!!
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2017
  3. Chris May

    Chris May Resident 'Carpenterologist' Moderator Thread Starter

    It was actually 12.11.78 that they did this, and when you see that written on the legend it simply means that they did (5) different passes at it, and the fifth is the take that they build the rest of the final master around, with the previous takes being outtakes if you will. :)
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  4. ars nova

    ars nova Active Member

    back in the early days, Richard stated that even if they were lip syncing for a performance, he and Karen were singing full out, I guess into dead mics
  5. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    Do we know where these takes were recorded? Was it in LA with Richard or in London with Peter Knight? Fascinating stuff!
  6. CraigGA

    CraigGA Well-Known Member

    I think it is fascinating for the tv program is a gem in its own right. Not only did Karen command a strong presence in the performanccs but her banter in the show held it together. A side rarely seen, Karen is seen front and center and delivers in great style as the star yet seems to share any credit with those surrounding her. I wish the entire show was available for purchase with all of Chris’ notes as a bonus feature. All the work rubs together into a bright gem.
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  7. Chris Mills

    Chris Mills Well-Known Member

    Would LWT have contacted Carpenters management with an offer to appear on TV with Bruce? Also something I found interesting on the photo of the track sheet, was that instead of Carpenters being listed, it just states Karen Carpenter.
  8. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member

    It's pretty clear Karen and Bruce were fond of each other.
  9. Chris May

    Chris May Resident 'Carpenterologist' Moderator Thread Starter

    I'm going to put Merry Christmas, Darling up there later on with some of the additional dialogue. This stuff is just too good not to (some of her best "live" interpretations ever I've always said). Since it's being sourced from the originals, it will still look better than the stuff folks have ripped from years past.
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  10. DespRicardo

    DespRicardo New Member

    Wow. Watching that for the first time was amazing - both Karen and Bruce looked like they were having a great time. Amazing, amazing vocals by Karen here, and I too thought I was listening to her on a pre-recorded track, don't think i've ever heard her in better voice. Christmas has officially started with that Brucie Bonus. Thank you for sharing it.
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  11. Chris May

    Chris May Resident 'Carpenterologist' Moderator Thread Starter

    More to come! :)
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  12. JayJayVA

    JayJayVA Member

    Why is this directed to me ?
  13. Wonderful performance. I'm just a little disappointed that Karen didn't go for the low note at the end of, "There's never been such a day, in Beverly Hills, LA."
  14. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member

    Yes but it also confirms this was a live vocal.
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  15. goodjeans

    goodjeans Active Member

    ...I believe that the Forum was simply tagging your quote JayJayVA. Thank you.
  16. David A

    David A Active Member

    Wonderful to listen to, especially at this time of year. Man, what a voice. It seems so effortless, too - what a gift she had, that we all got to share for a time.
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  17. theninjarabbit

    theninjarabbit Well-Known Member

    This video was stunning. Thank you so much, Chris. It was like Karen was singing right to me...if only she could see the smile on my face while watching her.

    Now I'm ready to pull out the Christmas Memories DVD and catch an airing of the Perry Como Christmas Show. :D :santawave:
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  18. ullalume

    ullalume Well-Known Member

    Brilliant stuff, Chris. Thanks so much.

    It's great to piece these things together. So these tracks were laid down on Dec 11th at the Music Centre in Middlesex, U.K. and the next day she sent the postcard to Richard saying "The Music end is tops. Miss you-Love KAC1"

    I wonder if she visited the musicians up in the Middlesex studio (about 45 minutes north of London). No reason for her to be there, but she was a perfectionist and maybe would have thought it a nice gesture to make an appearance.

    Gotta say the specifics of this hybrid "live" performance is hard to grasp. So what we hear on, for e.g. MCD... is part 1970 original, part 1978 British studio Dec 11th recording and part live music from the band on stage on the show? Is that close enough?

    Cheers again,

  19. Chris May

    Chris May Resident 'Carpenterologist' Moderator Thread Starter

    The more I study the performance, the more I'm actually convinced that the band was not playing live either. I think the whole thing, less Karen's lead of course was actually recorded ahead of time and the guys were simply on stage to give the impression it was happening live. I don't doubt that the studio takes were done live, so essentially it's the same thing. Except by doing multiple passes, they ensure the best performance while still maintaining the authenticity of this group of guys backing Karen together.
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  20. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    Given their perfectionism and the fact that this type of seasonal, nationally-broadcast show would have been garnering somewhere in the region of 15-20m viewers back in 1978, I think this is a distinct possibility.
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  21. A&M Retro

    A&M Retro Well-Known Member

    THANK YOU, Chris!
    What a fantastic early Christmas gift. This performance truly captures the marvelous talent, warmth and spirit of Karen. It’s officially been added to my ‘must see TV’ at Christmastime.

  22. BarryT60

    BarryT60 Well-Known Member

    WOW! Just when you think you've seen everything! Thanks so much, Chris - for this beautiful addition to my holiday viewing! :) Happy Christmas, indeed!
  23. Chris May

    Chris May Resident 'Carpenterologist' Moderator Thread Starter

  24. Thanks a million Chris for the clips especially this one I haven't seen much.
    Christmas tv 1978 in the UK was good. Bruce's show with Karen on Christmas eve and then the Mike Yarwood show on Christmas day with ABBA as guests.
    1978 was a busy year for Carpenters it seems.

  25. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    If the entire performance--band included--was not Live,
    then, remind me why it was that Richard Carpenter could not be there ?

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