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Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by From This Moment On, Feb 4, 2019.

  1. From This Moment On

    From This Moment On Member Thread Starter

    Hi

    I'm trying to find out if the video of Someday is complete and whether the ending featuring the choir was added to the track in the studio when it appeared on From The Top.

    Thank you.
     
  2. newvillefan

    newvillefan I Know My First Name Is Stephen

    The choir was not added for the box set. What you hear is what was aired on the TV special in 1980. If you watch the special you can see a group of people miming the choir parts.

     
  3. From This Moment On

    From This Moment On Member Thread Starter

    Thank you. My video snip was incomplete.
     
  4. It's amazing how a woman who originally did not want to come out from behind the drums became such a performer!
     
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  5. I have always regarded this visually and audibly as sheer perfection. Every time I watch and listen to this, it takes my breath away and brings a tear to my eyes. Im so grateful for all the available footage and recordings. I miss my friend.
     
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  6. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member

    This medley was the centerpiece of the special. You can see she was thin, but Karen never looked prettier.
     
  7. AnnaSock

    AnnaSock Active Member

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    Welcome to the forum, LongAgo :) Beautiful sentiments. I, too, am very grateful. There aren’t many days go by that I don’t watch or listen to something by the Carpenters. I actually watched Music, Music, Music last week and the medley is just fantastic.
     
  8. newvillefan

    newvillefan I Know My First Name Is Stephen

    It must have been great as diehard fan to watch this special in 1980. I’d have been thrilled to hear them revive “Someday” and part of the Bacharach/David medley for this particular medley.
     
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  9. Of everything the Carpenters performed in the 1980s, this medley is my personal favorite. What makes it stand out are Karen's exquisite vocals and Richard's wonderful arrangement, seamlessly going from one song to the next. And it ends with the last bars of the duo's signature song. Perfect.
     
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  10. Toolman

    Toolman Simple Man, Simple Dream

    Yes and no? I remember being kind of surprised, and quite happy, to see another special when there was no album or single to promote and hadn't been for quite some time. I was less happy to see John Davidson on the guest bill again. I thought both of them looked physically much better than they had in the last few specials (little did I know), and I did love the segments with Ella Fitzgerald as well as that closing medley. While I was glad they avoided the stupid skits this time, I was a little disappointed that it did feel, as Richard has quoted an ABC exec as saying, "like a PBS special". Musically, though superb as always, it was completely out of step with anything in the pop world. In hindsight there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all. Some great music came out of it and has endured. But in 1980, I felt like it was kind of an acceptance on their part that their hitmaking days were over. I do wonder, if ABC had ordered more specials despite the ratings this one got, what direction they might have taken.
     
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  11. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    According to Newsletter #66, January 1980:
    "You will be happy to know tentative plans are in the making for a Carpenters TV Special
    some time in the Spring. Taping is scheduled to begin next month, but there is
    no information on the theme or guests as this letter goes to press."
    Newsletter #67, May 1980:
    "Their studio sessions and work on the next special later this year, will keep them fully occupied."
    CFCN #68, October 1980:
    "Due to the recent wedding...regretfully their TV Special has been postponed until next Spring."
    CFCN #69, February 1981:
    "The postponed television special is tentatively set for sometime in the fall."
    CFCN #70, June 1981: "they are committed to fulfill later this year, taping of an ABC special."
    CFCN #73, November 1981: "R and K are committed for one more ABC TV special which will
    transpire next Spring."
     
  12. newvillefan

    newvillefan I Know My First Name Is Stephen

    In the days before internet, mobile phones and emails, all these newsletters tell you is that it was business as usual. Evelyn Wallace confirmed years ago that they concentrated on the lighthearted stuff where possible. There was no way they were planning to record a new TV special in either the fall of 1981 or the Spring of 1982. Nobody had a clue what was going on.
     
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  13. Murray

    Murray Well-Known Member

    I remember being kind of let down, actually. Sure, I was happy to see the Carpenters back on TV, but the "Music Music Music" I was expecting to hear, was "their" music! Keep in mind, I was 17 years old, and in my last year of high school. The "Great American Songbook" couldn't have been further from what I was listening to at the time. That was music for old people! My parents watched the special with me, along with my grandmother who was visiting. They enjoyed it a lot - much more than I did, and I was the fan! Grandma was especially happy to see Ella Fitzgerald, a singer from her generation. The best part of the show for me, and what saved it in the end, was the medley. Absolutely sublime! But still, I was left wondering what had happened to my favourite act, and why they weren't even trying to appeal to their own generation anymore (much less mine)? How long, I thought, before they start entertaining at nursing homes?

    Oh, my ears really perked up during the closing credits, when the voice-over announced..."Later tonight, be sure to watch Fridays, with musical guest Boz Scaggs". Now, THAT was the stuff I WAS listening to in May 1980! His current album, "Middle Man", was my favourite album at the time. I nearly wore out the LP. I clearly remember that Boz sang "Jojo", and "Breakdown Dead Ahead" that night.
     
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  14. newvillefan

    newvillefan I Know My First Name Is Stephen

    Murray, I really enjoyed reading this, for all the wrong reasons :laugh:
     
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  15. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Murray really nailed it on MMM 1980 !
    "they weren't even trying to appeal to their own generation anymore."
    (and, that probably started back in 1976....?)
     
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  16. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member

    All true- but I loved seeing them look and sound so good nonetheless. All that new music!
     
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  17. I think this "special" was more an attempt to change their image; show that they were more serious musicians rather than just a bubble-gum pop act not to be taken seriously. I think it is their best of all the specials, IMO. And that ending medley is the best!
     
  18. There is a radio interview with Karen from England in 1978 where she states that in the new year (1979) she was going to get to work at their next tv special, obviously that didn't happen but I wonder what it would have been like.
     
  19. ullalume

    ullalume Well-Known Member

    I'm presuming it would've broadcast April '79 and revolved around their 10th anniversary as recording artists. That aborted '79 album was due to coincide with the same date.

    As the Carpenters' popularity continued to fall throughout the late 70's you can almost see the ABC executives getting increasingly pissed as delay after delay pushed back their 5th and 6th special.

    Richard's drug issues ruled out anything happening in '79. MIA's production ate into a far larger part of '81 than they expected, and by the time it was released there was the promo tour. And Karen took '82 out for treatment.

    Originally they probably thought the fifth would have come out April of '79 then the last in Xmas of the same year, but as it turned out even at the time of Karen's death there was still that final contracted special outstanding.
     
  20. ThaFunkyFakeTation

    ThaFunkyFakeTation Ah am so steel een luv weeth yoo

    "Knowing When to Leave" just kills me. The harmonies are basic four-part, of course, but each part is doubled so it's just the epitome of smooth.

    Ed
     
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  21. newvillefan

    newvillefan I Know My First Name Is Stephen

    Karen’s diction spoils it a little for me in parts, it sounds like she’s trying to emulate someone who speaks very posh English and her vowels (especially “o”) are far too pronounced on lines like “but like a fool I don’t knowand “so very hard to doooo”. If you don’t know what I mean, think Julie Andrews (“doe a deer/sew a needle pulling thread etc). That said - there is absolutely no reason why this clip should have been withheld from DVD release. It’s stunning in every respect.
     
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  22. ThaFunkyFakeTation

    ThaFunkyFakeTation Ah am so steel een luv weeth yoo

    I get that. She was well into her Matt Monro phase but it doesn't bother me, really. For me, it's far more about the harmonies. It's stuff like this that is undeniable proof that they never should have started going the Chorale route. The two of them together are magic.

    Ed
     
  23. ullalume

    ullalume Well-Known Member

    Agreed. Pure gold.
     
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