Part of the reason for all of this is because Richard really isn't interested in having the Carpenters inducted.
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How did this 'anecdote' come about?
If you're only counting 45 rpm singles, maybe (and only maybe). But factor in albums and that gets squishy fast.
One of my all time favorites is the UK group T.Rex/Marc Bolan. They were hot everywhere except the US. First recordings were in 1970. Finally inducted in 2020 alongside Whitney Houston.That name wouldn't be accurate either, as the Hall only includes artists who were popular in the USA. What about musicians who had successful careers in other parts of the world, but were virtually unknown in the USA?
This is where the band got their name: The term foo fighters was used by Allied aircraft pilots during World War II to describe various unidentified flying objects or mysterious aerial phenomena seen in the skies over both the European and Pacific theaters of operations.Well, I don't know anything about the Foo Fighters ([what does it mean to fight Foo?) but if Willie Nelson is in there then so should they be, I guess - in fact, if he could garner enough support from the elite industry insiders who vote and control the induction process then even good, old, corny Lawrence Welk and his Champaign Orchestra should be too - hey, these boys could Rock Out on all those polkas like nobody's business...and Polka music is just another of the sub-genres under the RnR banner, right?
And where is Pat Boone?
I'm a member of the T.Rex posse, and it was a thorn in our side until T.Rex was finally inducted (alongside Whitney Houston) in 2020. No one was more rock & roll than T.Rex with Marc/T.Rex pinching from every rock & rollerer he knew.Should a group like, for example, T.Rex be in there already, then? Was their influence really that great, in comparison to Carpenters? There are other odd examples.
If The GoGos are in there, why not Carpenters? Karen, especially as she herself wanted to be considered a drummer first, was she not somewhat of a 'breaker of the mold'? The incredible genius she was as a singer, not withstanding, her being a drummer in the most successful American group of the 1970s, isn't that something worthy of the Rock Hall? Or is it because Karen was pushed out of the way from the drums on most of the recordings and concerts, so that aspect of the group doesn't count?
Why can't the Rock Hall do somewhat of a neat segue from the ending of the 1960s, the harsh sounds of Rock, the turmoil in the country, then here comes this sound that totally took over the radio in 1970 - and guess what! The person behind the incredibly musical voice was also the drummer! The changing sounds of music, as their own mission statement kind of proclaims. Are Carpenters not an excellent example?
I didn't care about all of this for a long time, but thinking about it all now kind of irritates me. Carpenters should have been in there already, maybe - in 1995, 25 years after Close To You.
That’s just splitting hairs. Some groups are known for being singles acts and some are album acts.
Thanks. I was asking the question in response to this from newvillefan :Can't say objectively, but subjectively she was been under the radar too long? She wrote great songs that other artists performed and had hits.
LOL. Being in or out of the closet for liking the Carpenters. I have taken s88t in the face if I mention them. It's like my mother getting all riled up if I mention Martha Stewart or Judge Judy. Any further conversation is shut down before the fan gets started.I've wondered sometimes why some people felt compelled to hide their love of the Carpenter's music - to be in the closet about it. It wasn't just other artists, but a number of ordinary people. They listened secretly and didn't have the courage to admit it publicly. Fear of ridicule lead to fear of standing up for your preferences, your choices, your taste in music.
Even more difficult to comprehend is the emotional motives or faulty thinking of those few rare individuals who claim to not like Karen's voice - they do exist (although the numbers are very small) and I can't figure out if they are suffering from some cerebral shortcoming, or being dishonest, or just trying to "be different". That sound which eminates from her vocal apparatus is so stunningly warm and welcoming and compelling that it boggles the mind and defies all reason to realize that there are a few who don't absolutely love it with passion. What ARE they thinking?
Yes, the time is right to correct a wrong - a wrong that has been running since 1995 or so...the voting committee of "500 experts" need to finally come out of their closets...
But it does matter and if it happens, yes, fine & dandy - I'll drink a virtual toast with everyone. Any "bubbly" will do. If not, then the gross injustice continues and the committee remains in denial, in their stuffy closet, smoking whatever they're smoking...
Thanks @Randy M (and to Michael before you) - but not during the Battle of Britain (the massive air war over that Island) ?This is where the band got their name: The term foo fighters was used by Allied aircraft pilots during World War II to describe various unidentified flying objects or mysterious aerial phenomena seen in the skies over both the European and Pacific theaters of operations.
Why is a long explanation you can find on Wikipedia.
Wonder why not? Never mind - probably too emotional of an issue for him - or after all this time he's just numb to the whole idea...Part of the reason for all of this is because Richard really isn't interested in having the Carpenters inducted.
Satire or not, I never gave much thought to what foo fighter meant, and that has lead me down the path tonight to read about them and track down some of their music. Didn't know the leader was in Nirvana. Grunge was a blip on the screen but seems to have created the resurgence of the soft rock sound (1970's) of the mid to late '90s. A lot of those groups I'm still discovering with that, "Oh yeah. I remember that song"--- from the grocery store muzak. But I never followed up with them the way I did the carpenters in 1969.Thanks @Randy M (and to Michael before you) - but not during the Battle of Britain (the massive air war over that Island) ?
I didn't know that and it's very interesting to find out about the Foo fighters as UFOs - I had heard of the Foo Fighters as a Rock group but I don't recall ever hearing any of their music - and my post above was mostly intended to be satirical, making a weak jest about "fighting foo" (which sounds kind of messy) and also asking why Pat Boone wasn't in the RRHOF yet ("Where is Pat Boone?") - need to refine my satirical delivery...
John,Thanks @Randy M (and to Michael before you) - but not during the Battle of Britain (the massive air war over that Island) ?
I didn't know that and it's very interesting to find out about the Foo fighters as UFOs - I had heard of the Foo Fighters as a Rock group but I don't recall ever hearing any of their music - and my post above was mostly intended to be satirical, making a weak jest about "fighting foo"
Thanks much Michael! Clever stuff - nice to know David & I can come up with the same corny joke years apart...John,
You were actually in very good company. The first time they appeared on his show in 1995, David Letterman said 'The Foo Fighters will be out here tonight to fight foo".
It became a running joke for more than 20 years---
All I can say about this is that if Richard's ingenious and very tasteful use of a wide variety of orchestral instruments - and the skill that he insisted they be played with - in his mostly creative arrangements is one of the major reasons for their failure to be inducted in the HOF then that is really pathetic and inexcusable - and says so much more about the lack of knowledge and character and motives of the voting members than it does about Richard's choices.All of you wondering why the Carpenters haven't been inducted into the RRHoF: I can give you the answer in a short list.
- Not enough guitar solos (or not enough prominent guitar, period). ... They didn't SEEM like a rock act.
- Vocals and instrumentals were "too polished" making them sound more like easy-listening than rock & roll. Putting aside Karen's spectacular voice for a moment...
- Too many violins, reed instruments, and harps. Too much orchestra adds to the E-Z listening sound...
I hope Karen and her brother will be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame someday!That was the point - the jest - he's not there, but why not? Everybody and their brother can be. So, where is he? (my original question) - really bad when you have to explain them - sorry about the confusion, Michael.
You're the second person here to pick up on my comment about "everybody and their brother" being inducted...@Michael Hagerty also did above, relating it to Karen and her brother - a point so obvious in the context, but which I failed to catch...so, I guess I'm not as clever as I'd like to believeI hope Karen and her brother will be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame someday!