!Shoot-out! Herb Alpert/TjB vs. Wes Montgomery (1967 - 1968): "For Carlos" (aka "Wind Song")

Which version is your favourite?

  • Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass ("For Carlos")

    Votes: 7 63.6%
  • Wes Montgomery ("Wind Song")

    Votes: 4 36.4%

  • Total voters
    11

JOv2

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  • Here is the third of three suggested by LPJim
  • Vote for your favourite version and tell us a bit about why you made your selection. (The selections are listed in release order.)
 

Harry

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These two are both really good, but I have to go with Herb. Back in the day when I was trying to play the trumpet, "For Carlos" was probably the easiest song to play along with the record. It also let me use my mute for a change.
 

Rudy

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Wes's brisk version by a longshot--the TJB version is too gloomy and too heavy.
 

DAN BOLTON

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Wow...almost like two completely different songs! It's almost impossible for me to choose one over the other...it would have to depend on whatever mood I might be in as I was listening. I don't find the TJB version to be a dirge; it's kind of melancholy in places, but it's supposed to be a tribute or maybe a requiem. There's a drive to the TJB version, interrupted by contrasting soft passages...the whole thing reminds me a lot of "Bud" from Herb Alpert's Ninth even though this piece was written at least a year earlier and by different people.

Wes version is totally different to my ears. It seems that the tempo is a little faster and the overall mood is much more upbeat...I keep thinking of dandelion seeds blowing across a meadow in a gale just before a rainstorm, but it's all good...just Ma Nature doing her thing in a white peasant dress. Maybe the major/minor chord resolutions have a little more weight here.

I can certainly see why the song was renamed for Wes' record.

Well, I gotta pick a fave...so, I'll go with Herb and the guys...it's obvious that Herb thought very highly of Carlos Arruza, and the TJB version reflects that, so that makes just enough of a difference for me to vote for it.
 

Bobberman

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Even though Wes's version was the First I heard thanks to the Music box Lp which I first heard in 1982 via as a checkout at the public library the reading credits told me there had to be a TJB version and a few years later I found the SRO lp and bought it and when For Carlos played I remembered it as Wind song normally the first version I hear I vote for but in this case I voted for Herb's Version because as he and A couple TJB members were credited as the composers on both versions i proffered Herb's Version slightly over Wes's and the retitled Version Wind song was also a good one this shoot out was another tough one but still fun nonetheless
 

JOv2

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I align with Dan on this one: They really are two different songs with two different musical goals. For Carlos is an emotively gorgeous tone poem to a passing bullfighter replete with sombre, solitary sections. Conversely, Wind Song is a breeze along PCH (i.e., CA-1) between Malibu and Pt. Mugu in a '67 Cougar ragtop.

Both are A++. I abstain.
 

Mike Blakesley

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I would have to go with Wes Montgomery on this one. I like that the vamp in the middle doesn’t go on for four minutes, like it does in many jazz recordings; and Herb’s is one of my less-favored songs on S.R.O.
 

Moritat

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Both versions are outstanding. I went with Herb's version as it was the original. I always thought SRO was the best TJB album, and "For Carlos" was the sleeper on the album. I like the moodiness and serenity of this version, and it's one of my top ten favorite TJB tunes. I do recall however, putting on the Montgomery lp and being really happy about his remake of the song. Wes recorded quite a few TJB tunes.
 
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