I love both tracks so much but can see why someone would feel put off by them.
⭐ Official Review [Single]: 15. "PLEASE MR. POSTMAN"/"THIS MASQUERADE" (1646-S)
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I love both tracks so much but can see why someone would feel put off by them.
JohnFB
She was born to belong to the lines of a song...
Lack of melody? Really?
Of all the negative things I could say about POSTMAN one of them wouldn't be that even it lacks a melody (of sorts) - but a lack of melody in MASQUERADE? Good grief!
Actually, it has two melodies that are lovely and intriguing and compelling, one for the verses and one for the bridge - and they compliment each other creatively, especially with Karen's tasteful and sultry interpretation...not sure what you're listening to but it's not the MASQUERADE I know and love...
If I perceive a fault with the song, "This Masquerade" and its melody, I guess I would suggest that it's never been an "earworm" song. It's not something I find myself humming to myself. Indeed, even when seeing the song listed here on a text forum, I have to stop and think of which song is being discussed. There's also a song on A&M by Sergio Mendes & Brasil '66 called "Masquerade", and my mind tends to go there first.
newvillefan
I Know My First Name Is Stephen
The loveliest part of the song is this, but the nicest, most unexpected twist is the shift from major into minor chords - right there in the middle of the bridge for just one line:
Both afraid to say we’re just too far away
From being close together from the start
(Shift to minor chords)
We tried to talk it over but the words got in the way
(Shift back to major chords)
We’re lost inside this lonely game we play
Masterpiece of an arrangement.
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CraigGA
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A simple song done well is a difficult task.
David A
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It's interesting to understand on a "technical" level, why something sounds so great - as this indeed does. Thanks.
An atmospheric song you just get lost in.
Lynda
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I'm listening to what you're listening to but simply not enjoying what you enjoy.
David A
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I'm listening to what you're listening to but simply not enjoying what you enjoy.
And that, for lack of a better cliche', is what makes the world go 'round
Musical tastes differ, obviously.
ChrisCarpenterCollecter
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I would choose This Masquerade, Karen's voice is really soothing and adult sounding in this song!
And I love the bass in it and just the whole arrangement, I'm Dutch and I never really thought about lyrics meaning.. (of course I understand Close to you, etc.) I will deepen myself more in the lyrics today!
Have a nice day!
ps: These are the lyrics in Dutch! really love it! it tells a whole story! (they always do but this is a very good love story)
Zijn we echt blij Met dit eenzame spel dat we spelen? Op zoek naar de juiste woorden om te zeggen Zoeken maar toch geen begrip vinden We zijn verdwaald in deze maskerade
Beiden bang om te zeggen dat we gewoon te ver weg zijn Van vanaf het begin dicht bij elkaar zijn We probeerden erover te praten, maar de woorden stonden in de weg We zijn verdwaald in dit eenzame spel dat we spelen Gedachten aan vertrek verdwijnen Elke keer als ik je ogen zie En hoe hard ik ook mijn best doe Om de reden te begrijpen waarom we op deze manier doorgaan We zijn verdwaald in deze maskerade
We probeerden erover te praten, maar de woorden stonden in de weg We zijn verdwaald in dit eenzame spel dat we spelen Gedachten aan vertrek verdwijnen Elke keer als ik je ogen zie En hoe hard ik ook mijn best doe Om de reden te begrijpen waarom we op deze manier doorgaan We zijn verdwaald in een maskerade We zijn verdwaald in een maskerade (en we zijn verdwaald in een maskerade)
And I love the bass in it and just the whole arrangement, I'm Dutch and I never really thought about lyrics meaning.. (of course I understand Close to you, etc.) I will deepen myself more in the lyrics today!
Have a nice day!
ps: These are the lyrics in Dutch! really love it! it tells a whole story! (they always do but this is a very good love story)
Zijn we echt blij Met dit eenzame spel dat we spelen? Op zoek naar de juiste woorden om te zeggen Zoeken maar toch geen begrip vinden We zijn verdwaald in deze maskerade
Beiden bang om te zeggen dat we gewoon te ver weg zijn Van vanaf het begin dicht bij elkaar zijn We probeerden erover te praten, maar de woorden stonden in de weg We zijn verdwaald in dit eenzame spel dat we spelen Gedachten aan vertrek verdwijnen Elke keer als ik je ogen zie En hoe hard ik ook mijn best doe Om de reden te begrijpen waarom we op deze manier doorgaan We zijn verdwaald in deze maskerade
We probeerden erover te praten, maar de woorden stonden in de weg We zijn verdwaald in dit eenzame spel dat we spelen Gedachten aan vertrek verdwijnen Elke keer als ik je ogen zie En hoe hard ik ook mijn best doe Om de reden te begrijpen waarom we op deze manier doorgaan We zijn verdwaald in een maskerade We zijn verdwaald in een maskerade (en we zijn verdwaald in een maskerade)
ChrisCarpenterCollecter
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by the way, nice to see you hear Lynda!I'm listening to what you're listening to but simply not enjoying what you enjoy.
(Is that your good spelled name?)
Guitarmutt
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Funny, I find the Masquerade melody quite compelling and memorable. It sticks in my brain like a delicious meal. I find myself sometimes just singing in my brain This Masquerade randomly on the walking for an errand, or going to the beach. Not so much Postman.
JohnFB
She was born to belong to the lines of a song...
Yes, exactly - I think it repesents all that was so very unique and special about the Carpenters, and stripped down to it's basics or essence - the subtle but highly stylized arrangement, the masterful instrumentals (including Karen's drum work), the limited and tasteful background vocal acompaniment and the gorgeous lead vocal by a confident and thoroughly professional singer at the top of her art (without a trace of double-tracking) - if we only had had much more like this, and a video of the session that produced it!
I'd agree that 'This Masquerade' isn't an earworm in the sense of being an instantly catchy song, but I would argue that it's a very memorable song in the sense of being able to affect the listener on a deeper level than simply 'oh this is a nice song'. I remember the irst time I watched The Karen Carpenter Story and, aside from 'Rainy Days and Mondays', 'This Masquerade' was the song that most caught my attention in the film.
It has real depth to it and doesn't really sound like anything else in their catalog - even compared to the other Leon Russell tracks they recorded. The closest song to it in feeling is 'Ordinary Fool', which is another triumph in terms of the performance and the arrangement really being able to fully connect with the listener.
That's not to take anything away from 'Pleae Mr Postman', which is great fun and nicely done, but if I had to classify them, I'd say 'Postman' is one of those guaranteed smash hit singles, whereas 'This Masquerade' is a song for the ages - and given George Benson's success with it a few years later, maybe it could have been a leftfield hit in its own right.
It has real depth to it and doesn't really sound like anything else in their catalog - even compared to the other Leon Russell tracks they recorded. The closest song to it in feeling is 'Ordinary Fool', which is another triumph in terms of the performance and the arrangement really being able to fully connect with the listener.
That's not to take anything away from 'Pleae Mr Postman', which is great fun and nicely done, but if I had to classify them, I'd say 'Postman' is one of those guaranteed smash hit singles, whereas 'This Masquerade' is a song for the ages - and given George Benson's success with it a few years later, maybe it could have been a leftfield hit in its own right.
newvillefan
I Know My First Name Is Stephen
Great description of the track - it’s a classic. I’ve noticed several times over the years that it’s made it to Greatest Hits compilations...despite often being the only non A-side on those collections. The UK’s “Only Yesterday” from 1990 is the first one that springs to mind.
GDBY2LV
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And what a bargain for those who bought the 45 single when it came out. Two great Carpenters songs for about a dollar. One fun pop hit, and the flip side with one of Karen’s best vocals ever. I think it’s among Richard’s favorites, maybe regretful that they didn’t have the hit with it first. Hence the inclusion on most every compilation since. I love them both, but my vote was This Masquerade.
JohnFB
She was born to belong to the lines of a song...
As he very well should be - or with I JUST FALL..., or YOU'RE THE ONE, or KISS ME..., or A SONG FOR YOU, or DESPERADO, or even DON'T BE AFRAID way back at the start, or ONE MORE TIME, or LEAVE YESTERDAY BEHIND...all musically superior songs - what they needed was a no BS, cantankerous, elitist snob like me picking their singles releases - there would have been no regrets...and the highest possible reputation for excellence - yes, fewer sales, but just how many records did they need to peddle and how many justly deserved millions did they really need to stash away?
Lynda
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I honestly wouldn't even consider "Please Mr. Postman" as earworm material. Just compared with "This Masquerade", per the orignial post discussion, I prefer "Please Mr. Postman".
Lynda
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I trust the nuances of their talents and versatility are conveyed in plenty of other songs other than "This Masquerade". In my opinion, songs like "Boat To Sail", "A Song For You", "Mr. Guder", and "Now" to name a few.
I would not generalize "Please Mr. Postman" as a song for everyone. Personally, it's not a go-to song for me.
newvillefan
I Know My First Name Is Stephen
^^^ I think this has been quite an informed and interesting discussion with reasoned debate about the tracks. Can't see any vitriol...
Ain’t that the truth!
Guitarmutt
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I see no vitriol here. The thread asks to choose a side and why. Passionate posts and thoughts ensue. I certainly meant no disrespect or anger in my answer. Just my view and preferences. We are a passionate bunch, but mean no disrespect. Please, where is the vitriol?
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