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Official Review [Single]: 18. "SOLITAIRE"/"LOVE ME FOR WHAT I AM" (1721-S)

Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by Chris May, Jan 14, 2017.

Which side is your favorite?

  1. Side A: "Solitaire"

    28 vote(s)
  2. Side B: "Love Me For What I Am"

    11 vote(s)
  1. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    ^^Point understood.
    (A) I wonder if we have input from the "roadies", the band, regarding this issue.
    In other words, exactly how exhausted were the rest of the band, do we the same complaints from them ?
    As of this date in time, I remain unconvinced of the exact nature of "too much touring" and
    how it did, or did not, impact the career trajectory of Carpenters.
    (B) Karen, and Richard, by many accounts, were in perfectly fine physical and mental condition up to late 1974--
    and, the heaviest touring correlated with those years prior to 1975, and during their greatest success.
    (C) Television production--those Television Specials--1976-1980,
    took 12-16 hr per day to do, that would have been physically and mentally grueling
    (I've worked in television studio),especially when added to the time spent in the recording studio.
    I read very little regarding that toll on the duo (and, then they were older and in much worse health !),
    or, its toll on their later-career.
  2. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    I could listen to this all day....Quad sound....
    This is a fantastic song, from a fantastic LP.
    I'll never stop loving this song, and this album....
    Horizon !
    David A and ars nova like this.
  3. ThaFunkyFakeTation

    ThaFunkyFakeTation Ah am so steel een luv weeth yoo

    I don't know. I buy it, honestly. The quality of the Richard-penned tunes got worse after that, IMHO. There were few memorable tunes after 1974 written by Carpenter/Bettis. Also important to note that while they were incredibly successful prior (as you stated), they were very much yesterday's news by 1975. They weren't doing nearly as well after that. The lack of great material to flesh out "A Kind of Hush" and all albums after may very well have been a product of too much touring. How can you write great tunes when you're always on the road?

  4. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    ^^Thanks for that, Ed !
    But, it does seem to me that the Carpenter/Bettis penned work
    correlated precisely to the times of heaviest touring:
    Goodbye To Love,
    Yesterday Once More,
    Top of the World,
    Only Yesterday,
    I Need To Be In Love.

    the Carpenter/Bettis collaboration penned the fewest tunes during times of least touring.
    And, those tunes were less momentful than the earlier work.

  5. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    ^^I am getting old....above, change 'wile' to 'While' !
  6. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    I suppose Solitaire must have fallen off of Richard's radar by 1999:
    Two cd-s neglect to include the song,
    Singles 1969-1981 and Singles 1969-1981 SACD.
    (although the track-listing between even those two cd's is different).

    By the way, the actual Titles of those cd's do not
    include the definite article "The".
    In other words, they are not two cd's entitled "The Singles 1969-1981."
    "Singles 1969-1981"
  7. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    I would have loved to hear the single remix of Solitaire in surround sound, especially as it goes into the first chorus where the drums and the added guitar kick in.
  8. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Interview with songwriter Phil Cody:
    Philip: I think it was certain words that he had trouble saying. But Richard asked me to make some of the word choices a little softer, sonically. And it was okay once I let go of the idea that my lyrics were inviolate. It went rather smoothly. Over the course of time, as the Carpenters did the song, they basically did a mash-up of the old lyric and the new lyric, which actually was better than either of the two, the Andy Williams or Neil's original.
    I think the Carpenters' version was the one that I like best.
    Songfacts: Did you ever imagine that song sung by a female voice?
    Philip: Yeah. I did, actually. But when I heard Karen Carpenter, I had chills down my spine. As a lyricist, you want that thing where an artist owns your lyric. You can measure success by the amount of money you make off a song, but I measure the success of that song by that particular moment, when she made it totally her own. And it's still great. I sat down one day and I listened to all 90 versions of "Solitaire" that people have done, and of all the ones that are out there, Karen Carpenter's is still the one that is the benchmark for all the covers on that song.

    Philip Cody : Songwriter Interviews

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