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⭐ Official Review [Single]: 20. "I NEED TO BE IN LOVE"/"SANDY" (1828-S)

Which side is your favorite?

  • Side A: "I Need To Be In Love"

    Votes: 40 80.0%
  • Side B: "Sandy"

    Votes: 10 20.0%

  • Total voters
    50

JohnFB

Well-Known Member
Was there "I Need to Be in Love" slander in these parts? CAN'T be! LOL!! INTBIL as a song is gorgeous. Karen loved it and sang it like she did. I think it's over-produced and too elevator but the chord changes, melody, and lyric are fantastic.

Ed
Well, I didn't sense "over-production" with INTBIL (like one does with "I Just Fall...") - in fact, for the live versions I think the arrangement/orchestration is just about right (it ebbs and flows nicely in density and volume with the movement of the song from verse to chorus) - if the song were placed in it's proper ideal environment as a "showstopper" in a Broadway production it might even be a tad under-produced...speaking of which, can you imagine being in a theater just before intermission and watching Karen move to front center stage with just a single spotlight and sing this like (as you say) she loved it...I would've paid the highest scalper price...

And I'm not sure how a song can be "gorgeous" and be one where "the chord changes, melody, and lyric are fantastic" (all spot-on, as the British are so fond of saying) and yet be considered "too elevator"...if so, that's an elevator I want to spend a lot of time riding.
 

JohnFB

Well-Known Member
Sandy Holland was Karen’s hair stylist on tour and wardrobe assistant to the band so yes it is about her, but it’s actually written from the perspective of Richard, who dated her. Richard didn’t write the lyrics however, John Bettis did.
So, let me see if I've got this straight: John Bettis, Richard's buddy and songwriting partner, writes the lyrics for a song directed at the woman named Sandy on Richard's behalf hopefully explaining to said rejected Sandy that he (Richard) has loved other women but can't or doesn't want to love her, which is then sung by his (Richard's) sister and it ends up (to salacious minds, at least) sounding to all the world (which doesn't know the full complex story behind it) like a song in which Karen is rejecting the lesbian advances or proposals of her hair stylist and just wants to remain friends...got it! You just can't make this stuff up - but would make a great Hallmark movie.
 

Mark-T

Well-Known Member
So, let me see if I've got this straight: John Bettis, Richard's buddy and songwriting partner, writes the lyrics for a song directed at the woman named Sandy on Richard's behalf hopefully explaining to said rejected Sandy that he (Richard) has loved other women but can't or doesn't want to love her, which is then sung by his (Richard's) sister and it ends up (to salacious minds, at least) sounding to all the world (which doesn't know the full complex story behind it) like a song in which Karen is rejecting the lesbian advances or proposals of her hair stylist and just wants to remain friends...got it! You just can't make this stuff up - but would make a great Hallmark movie.
Maybe this will help: in the US, Sandy is considered a name for a man or a woman.
 

Another Son

Well-Known Member
I was a pre-teen when these songs were released but was already an avid Carpenters fan with an ear glued to the radio or record player most hours of the day, (even when I was outside exploring or riding my bike - the radio at those times). When ‘I Need to Be In Love’ was released as a single, it didn’t excite me as ‘A Kind of Hush’ had done, but I did recognise the quality of it.

I came to love ‘I Need to Be In Love’ after I bought the ‘A Kind of Hush’ album in early 1977.

In my adult years, ‘I Need to Be In Love’ far overtook ‘A Kind of Hush’ in my estimation. It’s been a favourite for me amongst Carpenters’ catalogue for many, many years now.

The child ‘me’ preferred ‘A Kind Of Hush’ - at least, I did throughout 1976 - whereas the adult ‘me’ prefers ‘I Need To Be In Love’.
 

JohnFB

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Richard said in the 40th box set that he was basically not pleased with the choice of material used on AKOH. He said only 3 songs stand out for him, I Need To Be In Love, One More Time and Sandy. I would agree with the first 2 but not the last. I feel that "You" is a much better track than Sandy.
Agreed - "You" is a good song, but "One More Time" is in that very small set of special songs called "Karen's Finest Vocal Performances"! Freakin' awesome - the softest, lovliest piece of mind-blowing music I've ever heard!
 
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Another Son

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I always thought of ‘Sandy’ as an innocuous, pleasant little song about a woman singing to her male partner.

While it’s quite a nice little song, it probably embodies a few things that were going on with Carpenters at the time - a difficulty with finding really good, strong material, lack of drive from Richard, (he has said that he was losing passion for going into the studio around this time, and this recording doesn’t have much passion evident), and a bit of inconsistency from Karen, as she alternated between brilliance and a few performances that seem a bit lack-lustre.
 

JohnFB

Well-Known Member
Sandy had a smooth jazz feeling (similar to This Masquerade) that served Carpenters well. If only Karen were still drumming (, or a least a concurrentlywould've made even more sense (as would've Goofus).
I've been a big fan of Smooth Jazz for decades, but don't get that"feel" with "Sandy" - however, I do get a very strong SJ feel with both "If We Try" and "If I Had You" from the Solo Album - that might have been the best possible direction for the mature Karen to ultimately take a solo career.
 

ThaFunkyFakeTation

Ah am so steel een luv weeth yoo
Well, I didn't sense "over-production" with INTBIL (like one does with "I Just Fall...") - in fact, for the live versions I think the arrangement/orchestration is just about right (it ebbs and flows nicely in density and volume with the movement of the song from verse to chorus) - if the song were placed in it's proper ideal environment as a "showstopper" in a Broadway production it might even be a tad under-produced...speaking of which, can you imagine being in a theater just before intermission and watching Karen move to front center stage with just a single spotlight and sing this like (as you say) she loved it...I would've paid the highest scalper price...

And I'm not sure how a song can be "gorgeous" and be one where "the chord changes, melody, and lyric are fantastic" (all spot-on, as the British are so fond of saying) and yet be considered "too elevator"...if so, that's an elevator I want to spend a lot of time riding.

I was referencing the song, not the arrangement. The song itself is amazing. It's the arrangement that I feel is very "elevator". The song wasn't produced for a broadway stage; it was produced for an album and released as a single in an attempt at a hit. That really only happened in Japan. Here in the U.S., it only got the mid-20's. It did well on the AC charts here only.

Of course, the vocal is just perfect. It's Karen. She loved the song and it's very evident in the way she sang it. I'd never argue that or the inherent beauty in the basic song.

Ed
 

JohnFB

Well-Known Member
... The song wasn't produced for a broadway stage; it was produced for an album and released as a single in an attempt at a hit.

Ed
Yes, of course - you're correct - I was merely fantasizing about what might have been - what should have been - I think I read somewhere that she said that being in a Broadway musical was one of her ultimate goals - what better song than this to take along with her...
 

Mark-T

Well-Known Member
This came on today while I was driving, and I was just floored by how intimate a performance this is! Perhaps after all these years, Richard's "quieter" arrangement was the right one to go with Karen's vocal. Imagine that! :wink:
 

Rick-An Ordinary Fool

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I'm not sure who this is..at first I thought it was Akiko but must be another Japanese singer? From Richard's remarks he says 20 yrs ago, so I'm assuming this was filmed in 1996? Amazing quality...seeing Richard's reaction at the end is quite moving. The band is dressed in Karen's favorite color too.

"I Need To Be In Love"

 
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John Adam

"Two Lives"
In my adult years, ‘I Need to Be In Love’ far overtook ‘A Kind of Hush’ in my estimation. It’s been a favourite for me amongst Carpenters’ catalogue for many, many years now.

The child ‘me’ preferred ‘A Kind Of Hush’ - at least, I did throughout 1976 - whereas the adult ‘me’ prefers ‘I Need To Be In Love’.
Of course, the vocal is just perfect. It's Karen. She loved the song and it's very evident in the way she sang it.

This came on today while I was driving, and I was just floored by how intimate a performance this is!

^ Exactly. ^
One of Karen's best vocals on a song/arrangement not quite right for mainstream pop radio.

It would of been the same with any other song pulled from this set as the second single. Not charting very high on the Hot 100.
 

Walkinat9

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I'm not sure who this is..at first I thought it was Akiko but must be another Japanese singer? From Richard's remarks he says 20 yrs ago, so I'm assuming this was filmed in 1996? Amazing quality...seeing Richard's reaction at the end is quite moving. The band is dressed in Karen's favorite color too.

"I Need To Be In Love"

The singer is Keiko Toge, here's a YouTube link to the same video (not so amazing quality) with the description in English. Richard's reaction gave me a bit of a lump in the throat as well..

Keiko Toge - "I need to be in love"


As for my favorite side of this 45, I'm one of those few here to go for "Sandy". Can't beat the breezy, laidback vibe of this one, as far as I'm concerned, from the pingpong panned intro notes on the Fender Rhodes (I think??) to that crazy cool chord towards the end of the flute intermezzo (just before the second verse), to that mellow-jazzy flute solo at the end. And of course lovely lush harmonies by Karen & Richard throughout the whole song :love:

Gonna play it again :phones::guitar:
 
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