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Official Review [Single]: 25. "SWEET, SWEET SMILE"/"I HAVE YOU" (2008-S)

Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by Chris May, Nov 4, 2017.

Which side is your favorite?

  1. Side A: "Sweet, Sweet Smile"

    18 vote(s)
  2. Side B: "I Have You"

    6 vote(s)
  1. Chris May

    Chris May Resident 'Carpenterologist' Moderator Thread Starter


    SSSmile.png SSS.png I Have You.png SSSmileBack.png
    Side A: Sweet, Sweet Smile 2:54 (Newton/Young)
    Side B: I Have You 3:25 (Carpenter/Bettis)

    Catalogue Number: A&M 2008-S

    Date of Release: 1/78
    Format: 7" Single
    Speed: 45 RPM
    Country: US
    Top Chart Position: #44

    Arranged and Orchestrated by Richard Carpenter
    Produced by Richard Carpenter
    Associate Producer: Karen Carpenter
    Side B taken from A&M SP-4581 album "A Kind Of Hush"

    For more definitive information regarding each single, you can visit our Carpenters - The Complete Singles page in our Carpenters Resource.
  2. Rudy

    Rudy ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Site Admin

    Never knew this was a single. :D (But, I never followed singles...I was primarily an album listener/buyer.) For side B, I can't even remember the song, so I had to go with "Sweet Sweet Smile"...everyday. :wink:
  3. Jeff

    Jeff Well-Known Member

    I was thrilled when a D.J. friend borrowed the single SSS recording it for some country music boot scootin.
  4. K.C. Jr

    K.C. Jr Well-Known Member

    I have to go with the B-side. I've always loved it for the beautiful simplicity of the lyrics. Really shows off Karen's voice.
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  5. Chris May

    Chris May Resident 'Carpenterologist' Moderator Thread Starter

    Fantastic BGVs as well! :)
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  6. Carpe diem

    Carpe diem Well-Known Member

    I went with Side B. SSS never really grabbed me. For that style of song from the duo (countryish), I would choose Those Good Old Dreams as being better. And I can't get the snow puffs dancing to it out of my head whenever I hear it :yikes:! Not having a copy of A Kind Of Hush in any format, I had to go to YouTube to familiarize myself with I Have You. What sold me was the beautiful chorus and melody. Karen, of course, nails it. Strange; when listening to this I could almost hear Herb Alpert doing a rendition of this on his trumpet. Has kind of a Latin sound to it. Did he ever record it?
  7. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    I love both songs....
    be that as it may,
    Sweet, Sweet Smile
    caught my ear the first time I heard it.
    Karen --to my ears--capture the vocals perfectly,
    and, the arrangement--a bit more country than usual for Carpenters--is excellent.
    Many line-dancing classes utilize this song !
    Now, I do like I Have You very much. Karen's vocals are beautiful and the strings are beautiful.
    It's right smack dab in the mode of what you'd expect from a Carpenters' song--
    and, that's the tipping point for me,
    SSS wins by virtue of its 'outside-the-box' factor....
  8. Eyewire

    Eyewire Well-Known Member

    I voted for Sweet, Sweet Smile. Like Rudy, I couldn't remember what Side B sounded like until I got home this evening and played it. But both are excellent songs IMO.
  9. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member

    I really like both but voted SSS. It has a lot of snap to it- something K&K needed to show at this point in their career. Feels very authentic to me.
  10. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    We see that Sweet, Sweet Smile
    entered the Billboard Hot 100 charts on week of February 4, 1978 at #89.

  11. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member

    Sweet Sweet Smile is my favorite Carpenters track. I can be having a bad day or feeling things will never get better and this song turns all that around. The excitement in Karens voice shines through on this recording. The video is extra special with her mannerisms and playing to the camera, the way I like to remember her on stage.
  12. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member

    I love this video....who could resist....Karen winking at me at 1:34...so sweet

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  13. ThaFunkyFakeTation

    ThaFunkyFakeTation Ah am so steel een luv weeth yoo

    Agreed! One of the few that utilizes a lot of Karen 2-part. Usually, it was doubling or Richard harmonizing with Karen. I voted for the B-side as well. It was no contest for me, really.

  14. Rumbahbah

    Rumbahbah Active Member

    There's no winner here for me. I've never been much of a fan of the Carpenters' more country-styled efforts like 'Jambalaya' and 'Sweet Sweet Smile' falls into the same trap for me, plus it all feels a bit lightweight and novelty-sounding. It may have got some traction on the country charts but I'm not surprised by its underperformance on the pop charts, or that it's often omitted from greatest hits collections.

    'I Have You' also gets an undeserved second outing as a B side, presumably as a play for royalties. It's just a weak track from a weak album.

    As it happens, while the US single is a miss on both sides, the UK got two different and better B-sides when 'Sweet Sweet Smile' was released there. Most copies have 'Bwana She No Home' on the flipside, but a few have 'Two Sides' instead. Either of these tracks would win for me over the two sides of the US single.
  15. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    I couldn’t vote on this one because I can’t stand either song. I don’t think I’ve played or listened to either in over 20 years.
  16. I can understand maybe not playing "I Have You" in a long time. It's an album track on a fairly unpopular album that's not often anthologized. In fact, other than on the HUSH album, it's only appeared on some pretty uncommon and specialized compilations.

    But "Sweet, Sweet Smile" has appeared on a fair number of popular compilations, and I just find it unlikely that any fan as "into Carpenters" as you Stephen, could have avoided the song for this many years. So unless you don't "do" compilations (and some don't!), then I'm almost positive that you would have run across "Sweet Sweet Smile" somewhere along the line.

  17. Jamesj75

    Jamesj75 Well-Known Member

    So glad to see all this love for "I Have You," a song I have always enjoyed. It's one of my favorite album cuts. As I'm sure I've stated before, Karen's self-harmony is infectious and incredible. Sure, it's otherwise a simple song, but those choruses always reel me in...

    I also like "Sweet Sweet Smile," and I was ecstatic when Carpenters made inroads in country music. As catchy as it is, I give the edge to "I Have You."
  18. ullalume

    ullalume Well-Known Member

    Love both these songs, but SSS's a better record. Top notch stuff and a great tweak to their BG vocals as well.
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  19. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Regards these two songs,
    I love Bobby Bruce(SSS) on Fiddle and
    Gayle Levant (IHY) on Harp....

    Sweet, Sweet Smile
    Bass: Joe Osborn
    Fiddle: Bobby Bruce
    Banjo: Larry McNealy
    Drums: Ron Tutt
    Tack Piano: Tom Hensley
    Acoustic & Electric Guitar: Tony Peluso

    I Have You

    Keyboards: Richard Carpenter
    Bass: Joe Osborn
    Drums: Jim Gordon
    Guitars: Tony Peluso
    Oboe: Earl Dumler
    Harp: Gayle Levant
  20. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    I do compilations, but only my own :laugh:. If the song has ever come on I immediately skip it, so I can probably in all reality say I don’t think I’ve heard it (all the way through) in all those years :).
  21. I guess I project my own collecting/listening habits onto others. As somewhat of a completist, I have most of the main compilations and many of those would have "Sweet Sweet Smile" on them.

    And I guess I just can't fathom anyone disliking a Carpenters record to the point of not listening to it - ever, especially one with Karen's vocals on it.
  22. A&M Retro

    A&M Retro Well-Known Member

    I loved ‘Sweet, Sweet Smile’ from the very first spin of ‘Passage’. It’s a fun, catchy song with great vocals, background vocals and supreme tack piano from Richard.

    It never failed to fill the dance floor at the many weddings I’ve spun. It was obviously one of Karen’s favorites, too, as she found the tune for them. Glad she did!

    ‘I Have You’ has never grabbed me. Too sleepy, but the double-tracked Karen vocals are top notch.
  23. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    ^^Tack Piano is played by Tom Hensley.....not Richard Carpenter....on Sweet, Sweet Smile.
  24. ThaFunkyFakeTation

    ThaFunkyFakeTation Ah am so steel een luv weeth yoo

    There's a few I absolutely can't stand. They're on "Made in America". Even she can't save some of that stuff and her vocals aren't good on some of it. There are others elsewhere that I don't like and don't bother with. No artist is perfect, not even Carpenters.

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  25. Toolman

    Toolman Simple Man, Simple Dream

    Same here -- "Because We Are in Love" springs to mind. I'm sure I've endured it while playing compilations but if I'm anywhere in reach of the skip button, it's skipped. Yes, I know many people like it. Happy it's there for them.

    Voted for "Sweet Sweet Smile". It introduced me to Juice Newton, who I grew to like a lot from her subsequent pop hits and then longer success on the country charts. Juice co-wrote "Smile"...John Bettis co-wrote Juice's later hit "Heart of the Night". "Smile" is a fun, peppy song with a somewhat novel arrangement for K&R. My parents listened to country stations and I remember hearing it a lot on the radio, despite not being a pop hit.

    "I Have You" never struck me as anything more than album filler, although it is performed and arranged well. Just sounds too much like background music for a commercial to me.

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