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The 20th Anniversary of the release of KAREN CARPENTER

Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by Harry, Oct 8, 2016.

  1. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Peter Knight arranged the Christmas Portrait version of Santa Claus Is Coming To Town,
    whereas, Richard Carpenter arranged the ballad version.
  2. A&M Retro

    A&M Retro Well-Known Member

    Compare the way Karen inflects on the solo version. She's almost whispering and sounds very sexy. Then play Richard's remix. The vocal take is much more Carpenter-esque.
  3. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    I actually prefer the alternate vocal take, it's more strident, which suits the jazzy feel of the song better.
  4. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member

    Alternate vocal take? Is there a third recording of the song that hasn't seen the light of day?
  5. A&M Retro

    A&M Retro Well-Known Member

    Nope, just the two lead vocal takes of 'If I Had You' that we know about (the original solo album version and the Richard remix from 'Lovelines'). I'll bet there are other 'takes' in the vault, as well.
  6. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Active Member

    But that's an edit, just like on "My Body Keeps..." Richard brought Karen's voice and the drums more forward in the mix than Phil Ramone had intended to get rid of the disco influence. But there's only so much Richard can do because he has to follow what Ramone originally arranged. Really Richard was just re-working Ramone's ending on "If I Had You", whereas Richard created an all new arrangement for "Make Believe...", even going so far as to ask the writer's to write a new bridge, just like he slowed down "Santa Claus..." but Knight did a more traditional arrangement.

    And Karen probably recorded a number of takes of the end.
  7. A&M Retro

    A&M Retro Well-Known Member

    I know he edited the ending by bringing up the background vocals. I was referring to the actual lead vocal track. Not the backgrounds. They're two different leads he had from which to choose.
  8. CraigGA

    CraigGA Well-Known Member

    I never realized the two different lead vocal tracks on If I Had You. This thread made me relisten to the two Cd's and I heard a softer more intimate reading on the Karen Carpenter Cd vs. Lovelines Cd. But, I am not sure that a different compression and pro tools edits couldn't replicate what is done on the Lovelines Cd using the same track. So, I will accept the word of those that know more than I know.
  9. Harry

    Harry Charter Member Moderator Thread Starter

    In the very first line of "If I Had You", Karen's reading of the word "bedroom" is different between the two versions. On the solo version, the second syllable "room" is a little more drawn out. On the Carpenters remix, that second syllable is a little more curt or cut short. Just a slight difference, but audible.
    goodjeans likes this.
  10. A&M Retro

    A&M Retro Well-Known Member

    There are many lines that are different if you listen all the way through.
  11. Graeme

    Graeme Active Member

  12. Karen & Phil Ramone's version is SOOOO much better.

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