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'The Beat Of The Brass' Sealed MONO LP - Listed on Ebay.

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For the TJB diehards. it APPEARS to be be sealed in it's original clear plastic baggy. That's how my sealed mono was manufactured, anyway. The description is a little foggy, though.

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HERB ALPERT "THE BEAT OF THE BRASS" (RARE VINYL / 1ST REL-1968 Mint Cond.) | eBay

This first edition, collector's item was released in 1968 under A&M Records, and has a catalogue number of SP-4146. The record grading is mint (M), and the inlay condition is also mint (M). The vinyl is 12" in size and plays at 33 RPM.
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That listing raises all sorts of red flags. Plus, I've never seen a genuine A&M release come in anything except the printed innersleeve with other A&M albums pictured on it. Not sure if club releases were ever shipped like this, although I've purchased an old A&M or two of questionable origin that came with this kind of innersleeve. (And to be honest, all the plastic leaching from that sleeve to the record is not good. Been there, done that. Hard to find something that can clean it off without chemically harming the vinyl.)

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The description I agree is nonsensical at best.

Experience the timeless music of Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass with this rare new vinyl of "The Beat Of The Brass." This LP features a collection of easy listening and Latin jazz tracks, with a gatefold cover and original inner sleeve. The vinyl has been sealed and comes in a 4ML plastic outer sleeve, along with a cloth inner sleeve. This first edition, collector's item was released in 1968 under A&M Records, and has a catalogue number of SP-4146. The record grading is mint (M), and the inlay condition is also mint (M). The vinyl is 12" in size and plays at 33 RPM. With its multicolor design and various instrumentals, this record is a must-have for any jazz or pop music lover.
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Yeah, I'd pass on this one I think. This is a person who words something as poorly as items at an estate sale.
 
Well, for what it's worth, my mono copy was indeed sealed the same way and it was truly in mint condition. Not a spec of dust on it once I opened the plastic holding the LP. The cover is also in excellent shape and doesn't have a mark on it (even though it arrived with no shrink wrap). Makes me wonder if these rare mono LPs (by 1968) were available only to AM radio stations? Maybe that's why it was packaged that way. Just a hunch.
 
That could be. Putting less money into a promo copy. Kind of odd they'd use plastic as that was unusual back in the day.
 
Rudy said:
That listing raises all sorts of red flags. Plus, I've never seen a genuine A&M release come in anything except the printed innersleeve with other A&M albums pictured on it. Not sure if club releases were ever shipped like this, although I've purchased an old A&M or two of questionable origin that came with this kind of innersleeve. (And to be honest, all the plastic leaching from that sleeve to the record is not good. Been there, done that. Hard to find something that can clean it off without chemically harming the vinyl.)

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The description I agree is nonsensical at best.



Yeah, I'd pass on this one I think. This is a person who words something as poorly as items at an estate sale.
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I have a couple or 3 in this plastic inner sleeve and will have to search them out for another look. Stand by...
 
Of the two copies I have of BEAT OF THE BRASS in mono, one comes from the UK in a digipak-like sleeve. The record is inside a white paper innersleeve. The US copy is a gatefold like above with the [A&M LP146] box upper right, nothing upper left. The record is contained in an older A&M innersleeve, probably replaced by a previous owner.
 
Rudy said:
That could be. Putting less money into a promo copy. Kind of odd they'd use plastic as that was unusual back in the day.
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The "6-15-68" sticker on the lower left of the cover is not unlike how a lot of radio stations at the time inventoried albums as they came in. I worked for one station that used a changeable date stamp. Made it easier to gauge how long an album had been in-house and whether it had any programming value in months and years later.

I agree about the plastic innersleeve, though---that should (on a promo copy) be plain white with a hole for the label. And if the LP itself is shrinkwrapped---I didn't get in the business until three years later, but I never saw a promo copy shrinkwrapped.
 
I wonder if there was any standard to what sleeves were used in promo copies. I have found a couple in my collection where a stock A&M innersleeve was used. It could vary depending on pressing plant perhaps?

I've gotten maybe one or two allegedly "sealed" A&Ms that came in a similar plastic sleeve. I also had one which came sealed that had no innersleeve at all (and I think that one may also have been the incorrect title inside).
 
Veddy interesting!

Now that's three of the same mono release mono releases, in plastic...
 
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Rudy said:
Veddy interesting!

Now that's three of the same mono release, in plastic...
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Yeah, but Ninth isn't shrink-wrapped and someone has put little check marks next to the track listing. There's no reason to assume it came with the plastic innersleeve.

In fact, clicking through and looking at Beat of the Brass on the eBay page on my 27-inch Mac, it's not shrink-wrapped either.

So someone's got a couple of old mono TJB albums and swapped out the innersleeves.
 
I just looked through my "Ninth's". I've got a mono with a bee-bee hole through the upper left corner. Looking at the label I've got, compared to this one online, mine is typeset just slightly differently - but the big difference is my copy doesn't have the "®" underneath the label A&M logo.

Odd that the online copy has a check-mark next to every cut. Typically a radio station will put marks next to those authorized to be played on air.

As for those plastic innersleeves, I've seen those, usually in the classical record field. When new, the top, flat edge had a perforated section that you had to tear to get the record out. After that, it just served as an innersleeve, though most often it got bunched an wrinkled as the record came in and out.
 
Finally got around to the search. I found one copy of SP4134 in a plastic inner sleeve. I believe it to be a later pressing, as the A&M logo on the record label has the trade mark symbol. The first album to have the symbol was Sergio's LOOK AROUND. The rest are normal NINTH releases. Also, not sure if I have a MONO copy, as still getting the collection organized since the move and unpacking.
 
Michael Hagerty said:
So someone's got a couple of old mono TJB albums and swapped out the innersleeves.
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These are not common innersleeves--the only thing close to these that I can remember are the similar sleeves used for Laserdiscs (made out of different plastic, same as that used for milk jugs), and those were years later. I do recall getting one A&M in the type of plastic pictured, but I dislike those so much (they leach plasticizers onto the vinyl) that I would have immediately replaced it with a paper innersleeve (or if it goes through a cleaning, it's put in an archival "rice paper" sleeve).

A&M Retro said:
Well, the first two were 'The Beat Of The Brass' and this one is 'Herb Alpert's Ninth'. But all 3 are mono for sure! : )
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Yeah, I should correct that. That's what I get for posting and running. 😁

Harry said:
As for those plastic innersleeves, I've seen those, usually in the classical record field. When new, the top, flat edge had a perforated section that you had to tear to get the record out. After that, it just served as an innersleeve, though most often it got bunched an wrinkled as the record came in and out.
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I haven't bought many classical records, but do remember many that came in plastic-lined paper sleeves with that same style of plastic. Similarly, I've bought used records where the sleeves were swapped and replaced with one of these (used) sleeves. As with the others, they immediately get swapped out. Not just for the plastic, but they are old/yellowed/worn and the records deserved better.
 
I'm wondering if these inners were used by only one specific pressing plant, as a mono promo release at this point is not going to be pressed in anything but low numbers. It makes me wonder if the run-out etchings point to the same pressing plant. It certainly was a short-lived innersleeve, and we've had a handful of spottings here in the forum.
 
Mind Open said:
Columbia used to have sealed plastic sleeves..
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I was thinking that also. And if A&M were pressing those discs at Columbia and wanted a generic sleeve vs. the A&M corporate sleeve, that is what they would provide, I would think.
 
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