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When I fall in Love- Wouldn't A Duet be Great?

Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by Mark-T, Oct 4, 2018.

  1. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Michael Bublé covers When I Fall in Love on his new album. I always thought a duet with he and Karen would have been magical. Thoughts? And any attempts at splicing the two into one?
     
  2. Carpe diem

    Carpe diem Well-Known Member

    ^^I don't see why not. It certainly has been done before (Natalie Cole/Nat King Cole, Celine Dion/Frank Sinatra, to name a few) I guess the question is: Would you know who :hide: let another male voice within a thousand miles of Karen's (posthumously or not)?
     
  3. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    I very much doubt it. Barry Manilow tried and all he had to play with was Karen's solo album.
     
  4. ars nova

    ars nova Active Member

    why is Richard continually criticized for not turning his life's work over to others to bastardize it?
     
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  5. Carpe diem

    Carpe diem Well-Known Member

    ^^ Well, I can think of a few reasons:

    * It would sound terrific!
    * It would have the potential to open "The Carpenters" music legacy up to a whole new fanbase.
    * It would make RC some money. Money in this case would be a good thing, correct?
     
  6. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    With all due respect to Richard, I don’t think he needs the money. He’ll be doing the new album out of a love for his craft and a pride in their accomplishments. This album will only serve to embed the Carpenters’ legacy in the hearts of more people.

    He is also more than capable of constructing a duets album himself, if he really wanted to do it. In his mind, it would probably be a case of why mess with perfection and more to the point, why trust anyone else with your life’s work?
     
  7. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member

    FL
    Should we call John Davidson?
    :laugh:
     
  8. CarpentersToYou

    CarpentersToYou What I feel has come and gone before...

    Reminds me of the good old times as a kid fast forwarding through his solo parts of the TV specials.
     
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  9. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    I agree that it would sound terrific (she always does, and I think Michael is the new crooner voice of the generation)- and I think it could open new listeners up to them. It could even begin a new tribute album of sorts. I am also 100% behind Richard choosing to do what he wants with their music. He's done a great job of curating their legacy.
     
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  10. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    That would depend if the recordings made by Michael and Karen are in the same key. If not, splicing them together would sound awful. To do the job properly would entail re-recording entirely new backing tracks and transposing the song key up and down between the verses and choruses each time one or the other vocalist comes in. It would involve a tremendous amount of re-working to bend the songs around different keys.

    An interesting - and related - anecdote about song keys recently surfaced in articles about the new movie Mamma Mia: Here We Go Again. Some writers claimed that the lyrics to the song When I Kissed The Teacher had been altered so that the lead actress could sing the song to her female teacher rather than a male teacher, to make it less offensive about relationships between male teachers and female students and more politically correct (don’t even get me started...). It transpires this couldn’t be further from the truth and was all because of the key the track was in. As Bjorn Ulvaeus explained, they decided to take the obvious route rather than ruin the original ABBA song:

    The teacher was made female so she could sing a response [in the verse] without needing a “horrible” key change. She had to be a woman. Simple as that”.

    Mamma Mia! changes lyrics of beloved ABBA songs to make them more PC
     
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  11. Carpe diem

    Carpe diem Well-Known Member

    I thought it was a great idea from Mark-T. I have even commented on previous threads how great it would have been to have Karen do a duet with a strong male lead while she was still alive. Would've been great for the solo album to do a genuine duet. Kenny Rogers, Barry Gibb, Tom Petty, Paul McCartney, etc. The possibilities were endless...you don't think there wouldn't be male singers chomping at the bit to do a duet with Karen Carpenter?!! Barbra, Stevie Nicks, Dolly Parton, etc - Duets reinvigorated and added new interest in their careers. Especially post-1976, It might have been a good business move for the duo as their popularity was seriously waning. Ok, I get. It wasn't a good move for "The Carpenters"; Karen wasn't suited to sing with anyone else...
     
  12. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    The duet between Kenny and Dolly is a perfect example of a song that incorporates different keys. After the first chorus, there’s a drastic key change from Kenny’s to Dolly’s key but you don’t notice it because they worked it out in the studio together with the musicians and got it spot on. They key is in your post above...while she was still alive. Much harder when one artist is gone and all you’re left with is the recording. I agree though, I’d give my right arm to hear what Barry Gibb would have done with Karen in a duet or as her producer. That was the single biggest mistake they made when it came to her solo album: they should have asked Barry.
     
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  13. Song4uman

    Song4uman Well-Known Member

    haha he shouldn't have been called the first time around....
     
  14. ars nova

    ars nova Active Member

    has anyone asked paul or ringo if the can take john's vocal for a duet?
     
  15. They already did two:

    The remaining three Beatles added their parts to two songs in the 90s.

    Free As A Bird
    Real Love

    For the record though, I'd rather not have any Karen duets.
     
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  16. Bobberman

    Bobberman Well-Known Member

    I remember that and I think they pulled it off well that's the closest we would ever get to a Beatles reunion
     
  17. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    There was a third John Lennon track, Now And Then, that was slated for inclusion on the third Anthology CD, but George Harrison changed his mind about the track midway through sessions for the track and it was decided not to include it on that album.

     
  18. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Do we consider......
    Coming Through the Rye,
    Karen and John Denver, late 1976,
    a duet ? I like this one.
     
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  19. goodjeans

    goodjeans Active Member

    ...oh, yes! They should have asked Barry. In my mind-sublime.
     
  20. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    If “Guilty” was the template, it would have been a great combination.
     
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  21. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    I think material like Guilty would have been the template, because Barbra's album was written and produced by Barry Gibb in 1980, the same year Karen's album was released. If only...
     
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  22. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Vocally Karen outshines Barbra, so just hearing the "lilt" of her warm vocals in Barry's productions would have been wonderful.
     
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  23. CarpentersToYou

    CarpentersToYou What I feel has come and gone before...

    Oh please. Apples and oranges. Both are arguably the best female vocalists.
     
  24. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    Yeah I’d agree there. Different styles completely. Both brilliant in their own arena.
     
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  25. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    I'm not saying Barbra's not a good singer. But I find her to be a bit too dramatic in her interpretations, and I think it makes her far below Karen. Apples and oranges? Maybe. It's not personal, CloseToYou.
     

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