"Your Navy Presents" Rerelease?
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Another Son
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It would be great to have. I don’t know whether it could be an authorised release, though.
It always surprises me that unauthorised DVDs of ‘Live at the Budokan 1974’ are still sold on Amazon and other sites as ‘Live In 1972’ and such.
I hope that ‘Your Navy Presents’ has great sound quality and is authorised. Unfortunately, I doubt it.
It always surprises me that unauthorised DVDs of ‘Live at the Budokan 1974’ are still sold on Amazon and other sites as ‘Live In 1972’ and such.
I hope that ‘Your Navy Presents’ has great sound quality and is authorised. Unfortunately, I doubt it.
Boondoggle
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Supposedly it's legit according to two sites selling it, from CBS Masterworks. I'm kinda doubting it too, though
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Nemily
"I'm goin' way down south to Baton Rouge, tonight"
I am not sure who even has the licensing rights that can re-release those albums. Until that happens, the best possible outcome I think would be hit or miss that the CD has a true needle drop from an original pressing.
I have one from eBay that is just awful. Sometime later I tried again (wary of the previous source) and I lucked out. The playback was very, very good quality.
Best wishes on your quest !
I have one from eBay that is just awful. Sometime later I tried again (wary of the previous source) and I lucked out. The playback was very, very good quality.
Best wishes on your quest !
masqueraded
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Another Son
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Carpenters’ concert from Australia would be a bootleg, I’m sure.
Rick-An Ordinary Fool
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Nemily
"I'm goin' way down south to Baton Rouge, tonight"
Of the ones I have, yep - the good one has 'em. The awful one does not. Strangely, I like that they are there. It really conjures up 1970.
masqueraded
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I managed to grab all of these four "shows" as they appeared on YouTube a number of years ago. The quality is OK, but these recruitment discs weren't exactly the best pressings. The ones I have have all of the interviews and recruitment ads in them. They were made to be sent out to radio stations as "free" 15-minute programs that served a "public service" requirement. Typically they aired on Sunday early mornings between 6 and 8 am or Sunday nights from 10 or so until midnight. The idea was that in order for the station to justify its license as a public service, they had to air "x" amount of public service programs each week or month. So they were just one-off pressings not meant for public consumption. Often they were aired on AM stations in mono.
Though I don't own the Carpenters record discs, I have a number of other ones, and the quality there is again just so-so. A good amount of distortion, and it probably hasn't come from wear as stations would only play these once and supposedly they were to be returned or trashed. That some have survived is a small miracle.
The ads posted above give me one pause for concern. This CD is listed as "Miltary[sic] Radio stations broadcast. And while the Armed Forces Radio and Television Services (AFRTS) DID provide recorded music for broadcast to our military overseas, that's not what these Carpenters Navy recordings are about. They were purely to be used home-side as recruitment tools.
I suspect that this "release" is legal due to copyright lapses overseas. These are 54-year-old recordings and we've seen similar things with other 60s recordings - Herb Alpert's old Dore Alpert recordings showing up recently, and any number of his other early recordings repackaged several times.
And the reason for this is easy - someone, some company, is looking to make some money, so if they can find an old recording like this that's somewhat rare, and it's legal, why not provide it to the public that wants it. Hopefully it'll sound good. If they found pristine discs and used good equipment to digitize the tracks, then it could sound decent.
Perhaps purchasers can relay the quality information here.
Though I don't own the Carpenters record discs, I have a number of other ones, and the quality there is again just so-so. A good amount of distortion, and it probably hasn't come from wear as stations would only play these once and supposedly they were to be returned or trashed. That some have survived is a small miracle.
The ads posted above give me one pause for concern. This CD is listed as "Miltary[sic] Radio stations broadcast. And while the Armed Forces Radio and Television Services (AFRTS) DID provide recorded music for broadcast to our military overseas, that's not what these Carpenters Navy recordings are about. They were purely to be used home-side as recruitment tools.
I suspect that this "release" is legal due to copyright lapses overseas. These are 54-year-old recordings and we've seen similar things with other 60s recordings - Herb Alpert's old Dore Alpert recordings showing up recently, and any number of his other early recordings repackaged several times.
And the reason for this is easy - someone, some company, is looking to make some money, so if they can find an old recording like this that's somewhat rare, and it's legal, why not provide it to the public that wants it. Hopefully it'll sound good. If they found pristine discs and used good equipment to digitize the tracks, then it could sound decent.
Perhaps purchasers can relay the quality information here.
Boondoggle
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To be fair this was a screenshot off just one of the sites that listed it. Others have military spelled correctly. I preordered one on UK Amazon, easier refund if it's crap I guess. They just pushed the estimate shipping date back today for some reason. Terrible album cover I've gotta say
Rick-An Ordinary Fool
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Looks like they used a Photo by Harry Langdon. It must be one they could use over seas while avoiding any legal rights. The quality of the photo used here is terrible compared to the original. I don’t know why getty’s has this listed as taken in 1981, that was not 1981.
Singers Karen and Richard Carpenter of the Carpenters pose for a...
Singers Karen and Richard Carpenter of the Carpenters pose for a portrait in 1981 in Los Angeles, California.
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CarpentersToYou
Somehow you brought the gambler out in me...
I have a question: I know you specified copyright lapses overseas, isn't copyright life of the author plus 50 years? Wouldn't A&M / UMG / still own these recordings with Richard having right to control of release? Or does the Navy? Please let us know if you know. I googled it but kept coming up with the same author's life plus 50 years rule, in U.S. post 1978 author's life plus 70 years. Thanks so very much Harry or anybody.
newvillefan
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I doubt very much Richard would own the rights to this. It wasn't produced by A&M, they were merely guests on a show produced by an independent broadcaster. Unless he bought the rights upon expiry.
CarpentersToYou
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newvillefan
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You read my mind! That will tell us who the copyright sits with - or sat with back in 1991. The audio on From The Top was pristine and sounded like a first generation copy.
Nemily
"I'm goin' way down south to Baton Rouge, tonight"
From The Top does have a copyright on the back pages of the CD pamphlet - 1991 A&M Records , Inc. All rights reserved.
But the liner note for Get Together on the pamphlet say licensed from Kim Voeller and the Interview liner notes say Courtesy of Sam Riddle.
There is some good posting on the thread Your Navy Presents (Again) that offers some further insight on possible licensing issues.
Your Navy Presents (again)
But the liner note for Get Together on the pamphlet say licensed from Kim Voeller and the Interview liner notes say Courtesy of Sam Riddle.
There is some good posting on the thread Your Navy Presents (Again) that offers some further insight on possible licensing issues.
Your Navy Presents (again)
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As a testament to just how "not-so-good" these recordings can be, check out this part of Richard's liner notes in FROM THE TOP:
"The electrical noise heard in the third verse is in the recording and not the disc."
In the recordings I have there exists all sorts of distortion on the mic feeds. I hear this same type of distortion on an earlier version of YOUR NAVY PRESENTS with Sergio Mendes & Brasil '66 that I have on LP. I believe they were carelessly thrown together.
Richard states that they recorded 12 songs in-studio with the traveling group. Sam Riddle - or his staff - then worked with the interview portions and commercials to assemble each of the 15 minute shows.
"The electrical noise heard in the third verse is in the recording and not the disc."
In the recordings I have there exists all sorts of distortion on the mic feeds. I hear this same type of distortion on an earlier version of YOUR NAVY PRESENTS with Sergio Mendes & Brasil '66 that I have on LP. I believe they were carelessly thrown together.
Richard states that they recorded 12 songs in-studio with the traveling group. Sam Riddle - or his staff - then worked with the interview portions and commercials to assemble each of the 15 minute shows.
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