Trading Herb

[Steven J. Gross]

Assuming you have all Herb's catalog in perfect condition,including solo and all..

Here's the deal: Keep all Herbs albums after "Coney Island", and there are lots, including Colors, Rise, etc...but you have to give up "Warm", "Whipped Cream" and "SRO"...(keeping the rest of the TJB catalog)
What would you do?

(I would sacrifice the later stuff and keep the 3...and the TJB catalog in full.)

I would exclude "Bullish" from the TJB catalog items because it's timeline was way out and songs like "Maniac" were very un-TJB...

Maybe we can come up with other trade/sacrifices...

 

[Michael Hagerty]

Assuming you have all Herb's catalog in perfect condition,including solo and all..

Here's the deal: Keep all Herbs albums after "Coney Island", and there are lots, including Colors, Rise, etc...but you have to give up "Warm", "Whipped Cream" and "SRO"...(keeping the rest of the TJB catalog)
What would you do?

(I would sacrifice the later stuff and keep the 3...and the TJB catalog in full.)

I would exclude "Bullish" from the TJB catalog items because it's timeline was way out and songs like "Maniac" were very un-TJB...

Maybe we can come up with other trade/sacrifices...

Sorry.

Surrendering "Warm" is a deal-breaker. That's my "if you could only have one" album.

---Michael Hagerty

 

[Steven J. Gross]

Cool answer Michael, same as me pretty much...Interesting!

Giving up "Colors", for one, wouldn't bother me much! (ouch)

This is a tough game for us diehards...

 

[Mr Bill]

I could give up Wild Romance, My Abstract Heart, Midnight Sun and Second Wind and shed nary a tear. Everything else is indipensible IMO...

--Mr Bill

 

[Dave]

I would give up Sounds Like..., if only to eliminate hearing "Miss Frenchy Brown"... (And I passed up an actual S/S copy of this, the day I found & bought some of the rest of some of Herb's works, brand-new...) Most of the rest of the songs that I do like, such as "Bo Bo" and "Casino Royale", are out on a few comp's...

In fact, I gave a copy of this album an "honest listen" and realized that it sounds "better" with Side 2 being played 1st... So that made "my least fa'v" a little bit easier to hear (Why IS it the next-to-last track?) but over-all A&M SP 4124, is so far, (even while missing out on hearing "The Treasure Of San Miguel"; not available, anywhere else) the so-far, most dispensable...



Dave

 

[Steven J. Gross]

I could give up Wild Romance, My Abstract Heart, Midnight Sun and Second Wind and shed nary a tear. Everything else is indipensible IMO...

--Mr Bill

Hi Bill!

In this scenario, you have no choice...so could you part with the 3 TjB albums and keep EVERYTHING else? Keep in mind you would still have the Foursider, Greatest Hits 1 and 2, etc..

(I'll be contacting you soon off the board- long time pardner!)

 

[Steven J. Gross]

I would give up Sounds Like..., if only to eliminate hearing "Miss Frenchy Brown"... (And I passed up an actual S/S copy of this, the day I found & bought some of the rest of some of Herb's works, brand-new...) Most of the rest of the songs that I do like, such as "Bo Bo" and "Casino Royale", are out on a few comp's...

In fact, I gave a copy of this album an "honest listen" and realized that it sounds "better" with Side 2 being played 1st... So that made "my least fa'v" a little bit easier to hear (Why IS it the next-to-last track?) but over-all A&M SP 4124, is so far, (even while missing out on hearing "The Treasure Of San Miguel"; not available, anywhere else) the so-far, most dispensable...



Dave

That's cool Dave, but...that's not the choice- this is a tough deal I know, I'm really curious what you would be willing to do...

 

[Steven J. Gross]

I know for sure there are many of you that hate "Freight Train Joe", lol...I like it actually- would that affect your decision?

 

[Mike Blakesley]

I don't quite understand the original concept here, but if it was a matter of giving up 3 TJB albums in exchange for the rest of Herb's output being available, I'd give up the first 3 albums. All the songs I love on those records are available on hits collections -- except "A Quiet Tear," but if it meant having access to YOU SMILE, CONEY ISLAND, FANDANGO, BEYOND, MAIN EVENT LIVE and so forth....deal!

 

[Dave]

Well, I, too, didn't understand the concept, either... Hence, that is why my choice is what is was...

However, after reading this again, then anything after Rise are what I would then sacrifice...



Dave

 

[Steven J. Gross]

I don't quite understand the original concept here, but if it was a matter of giving up 3 TJB albums in exchange for the rest of Herb's output being available, I'd give up the first 3 albums. All the songs I love on those records are available on hits collections -- except "A Quiet Tear," but if it meant having access to YOU SMILE, CONEY ISLAND, FANDANGO, BEYOND, MAIN EVENT LIVE and so forth....deal!

Not the first 3.

"Warm", "SRO" and "Whipped Cream" would be sacrificed to keep all Herb's stuff after Coney Island, and you would keep all the remaining TjB albums as well.

In other words, how important are those 3 albums as a Herb fan? Or are they not vital to your collection, which would obviously mean you give up those 3 to have all his stuff...

 

[Mike Blakesley]

Oh. Well, in that case, I'm with Hagerty. WARM is indispensible, and SRO too. WHIPPED CREAM -- well I love about 80% of that album, so I'd have to call it indispensible too, but most of the best songs from it are on collections.

 

[Steven J. Gross]

Oh. Well, in that case, I'm with Hagerty. WARM is indispensible, and SRO too. WHIPPED CREAM -- well I love about 80% of that album, so I'd have to call it indispensible too, but most of the best songs from it are on collections.

"Warm" seems to be the most important work to lots of us, including me!
So I figure it's a 4 or 5 albums to one TjB in this deal.
Herbs solo work, as cool as it is, can't replace those 3 TjB classics.

I might add that "Coney Island" and "You Smile the Song Begins" are unique enough to offset the Herb solo works..but this is all just for fun

 

[Steven J. Gross]

Just off the top of my head, this is what you would be doing...


Keeping Warm-Giving up:
North on South Street
Rise
Under A Spanish Moon
Colors
Rewhipped
Just You and Me


Keepin SRO- Giving Up:
Herb and Hugh
Herb Hugh Live
Keep Your Eye On Me
Second Wind
Wild Romance


Keeping Whipped Cream- Giving Up:
Anything Goes
Beyond
Midnight Sun
Abstract Heart
Fandango

Bullish could go either way..

Overall, I would keep my TJB collection intact. (about 5 to 1)

OUCH!

 

[Steven J. Gross]

I would give up Sounds Like..., if only to eliminate hearing "Miss Frenchy Brown"... (And I passed up an actual S/S copy of this, the day I found & bought some of the rest of some of Herb's works, brand-new...) Most of the rest of the songs that I do like, such as "Bo Bo" and "Casino Royale", are out on a few comp's...

In fact, I gave a copy of this album an "honest listen" and realized that it sounds "better" with Side 2 being played 1st... So that made "my least fa'v" a little bit easier to hear (Why IS it the next-to-last track?) but over-all A&M SP 4124, is so far, (even while missing out on hearing "The Treasure Of San Miguel"; not available, anywhere else) the so-far, most dispensable...




Dave

From the way you write, I think you actually dig the album...you made me wanna put it on! Admit it!

 

[Dave]

Yadda, yadda, yadda...

What IS there of our "favorite artists" that we WOULD wanna part with?!



Dave

 

[Steven J. Gross]

Yadda, yadda, yadda...

What IS there of our "favorite artists" that we WOULD wanna part with?!



Dave

Exactly! BTW..I'm a Goldsboro fan!

 

[Harry]

I'll give up Door #3 and keep my Herb Alpert collection - ALL of it, thank you!



Harry

 

[Steven J. Gross]

I'll give up Door #3 and keep my Herb Alpert collection - ALL of it, thank you!



Harry

I'm sorry but we'll have to take your turntable for that answer!

 

[Murray]

The only way you're getting my "Warm" is to pry it out of my cold dead hands!

So, I think you can guess my answer to the question!

 

[Steven J. Gross]

The only way you're getting my "Warm" is to pry it out of my cold dead hands!

So, I think you can guess my answer to the question!

I feel exactly the same. What is it about that album???

 

[Harry]

While riding the train through the wilds of Alaska, the unusually 'warm' temperatures made me want to play WARM on my mp3 player.

That player has an unusual property about it. Even though the song files are on there with the proper 01, 02, etc., identifiers in the file names, this player ignores them and plays songs from an album in alphabetical order.

Thus, I got to listen to WARM from a different perspective. And it was no less of an album out of order than it is in the familiar order.

Harry

 

[toeknee4bz]

I could give up Wild Romance, My Abstract Heart, Midnight Sun and Second Wind and shed nary a tear. Everything else is indipensible IMO...
--Mr Bill

MIDNIGHT SUN??? Are ya nuts?! (Okay, maybe that was a little harsh... cashew is pretty good)... Anyway, I thought everybody liked that one.


If I had to give up anything, I'd definitely pick BULLISH, CONEY ISLAND and COLORS. Sorry, I know there are a lot of CONEY ISLAND fans out there, but it just never grabbed me. COLORS is just plain weird, and we won't even go into the BULLISH disapointment again.

This whole scenario is torture. For any die hard Herb fan to be asked to give up part of the collection is like asking us to cut off a hand or a foot. We just can't do it... Unless Freight Train Joe was tattooed on it.

Tony

 

[Steven J. Gross]

I could give up Wild Romance, My Abstract Heart, Midnight Sun and Second Wind and shed nary a tear. Everything else is indipensible IMO...
--Mr Bill

MIDNIGHT SUN??? Are ya nuts?! (Okay, maybe that was a little harsh... cashew is pretty good)... Anyway, I thought everybody liked that one.


If I had to give up anything, I'd definitely pick BULLISH, CONEY ISLAND and COLORS. Sorry, I know there are a lot of CONEY ISLAND fans out there, but it just never grabbed me. COLORS is just plain weird, and we won't even go into the BULLISH disapointment again.

This whole scenario is torture. For any die hard Herb fan to be asked to give up part of the collection is like asking us to cut off a hand or a foot. We just can't do it... Unless Freight Train Joe was tattooed on it.

Tony

Midnight Sun is one of the greatest Jazz albums ever, imo...
Bullish is a nice single, but the rest is a throwaway...

 

[audiofile]

That's a pretty heavy statement; to say Herb's Midnight Sun is one of the greatest JAZZ albums when we're talking about everything from Louis Armstrong to Duke Ellington, From Coleman Hawkins, to Count Base, from Charlie Parker to John Coltrane, and from Miles Davis to Bill Evans and everything in between. And considering that Midnight Sun is not even an "all out jazz album." It's more of an easy listening pop jazz Chris Botti type jazz album. I never understood what was so great about that album. And I have to sit through Herb painfully dredging out I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face....

Keep everything Herb did after 1975, and don't anyone touch my TJB collection! I want it all! Nothing Herb did after 75 can hold a candle to the TJB records.