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Official Review [Album]: "PASSAGE" (SP-4703)

Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by Chris May, Aug 6, 2013.

How Would You Rate This Album?

  1. ***** (BEST)

    7 vote(s)
  2. ****

    42 vote(s)
  3. ***

    27 vote(s)
  4. **

    6 vote(s)
  5. *

    0 vote(s)
  1. Chris Mills

    Chris Mills Well-Known Member

    Despite not being 100% Richard still manages to produce a great album, he didn't need replacing, just needed a well earned rest.
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  2. Chris Mills

    Chris Mills Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the explanation, starting to make some sense now. Wish they could have done the same for AKOH.
  3. Chris May

    Chris May Resident 'Carpenterologist' Moderator Thread Starter

    Agreed, and you know it's funny how we as human beings get caught up in the comparison game. If we didn't have all of the previous Carpenters albums to compare to and this was the first thing we ever laid ears on, I think many of us would have been thinking "Where did THESE guys come from?!?". It still would have been a thrill to hear their sound, Karen's voice and all that incredible production value spinning around on that piece of vinyl! :phones:
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  4. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    ^^I remember well my Carpenters' Album initiation:
    Horizon was my first complete album listen,
    Second Album listen was A Kind of Hush,
    Third complete listen was Passage.
    (All the previous Albums--chronologically released before Horizon --were listened to after Passage !).
    and my memory is infallible on this score, I felt Passage was brilliant !
    Sure, I love Horizon--it's my #1--be that as it may,
    Passage really got me excited for what would be next....!
  5. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Well-Known Member

    That would be me, but in pieces as the first Carpenters album I ever heard was the Singles 1974-78 CD, and that disc starts with the "Passage" track 'Sweet, Sweet Smile', goes through a couple oldies in 'Jambalaya' and 'Cdn't Smile' before hitting another Passage track, "All You Get From Love Is A Love Song", and then of course the disc closes with the Passage album cut of "Calling Occupants". As I think about it, 1/4 of the Singles 74-78 album comes from "Passage". ("Horizon" just edges out "Passage" because of 'Happy', otherwise they are tied in terms of Singles.). "A Kind Of Hush" is represented by only 2 singles and 'Can't Smile', while we also have Singles from "A Song For You" and "Now & Then".

    But it's to bad that the Carpenters didn't continue the style of "Passage", since their next non-seasonal release, "I Believe You" went right back to their old ways. I wonder what would've happened if they had recorded another song, or even released "Honolulu City Lights" in place of IBY, that was in the form of "Passage" or the upbeat dance songs of the era, that broke the group away from its earlier style, would MIA have been a lot more like "Passage", but with more of an 8's sound?
  6. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member

    Honestly, I find "Honolulu" pretty weak.
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  7. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    ^^A dissenting vote here, as I really love Honolulu City Lights !
    I heard it on the radio in--was it 1987 ?--and, immediately fell in love with Karen's interpretation.
    Richard :" While on vacation in Honolulu in 1978...recorded the song and were eventually going to
    release it..." (Anthology Liner Notes).
    Beautifully produced song, imho !
  8. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Well-Known Member

    After "Passage", 'I Believe You' sounds like something off of "Horizon" or AKOH.Out of the last 4 non-seasonal albums released in Karen's lifetime, HOR, AKOH and MIA sound pretty much the same, although MIA did have "Back In My Life Again" which did sound like an 80's extension of "Passage". Otherwise the rest of the album is comparable to AKOH (with Beechwood being the remake song and 'Dancing' being MIA's 'I Need').
  9. KentTeffeteller

    KentTeffeteller Active Member

    On DVD based High Res media, Classic Records had the right approach in HDAD. Open, not proprietary and not fiddly to use. That system for me is what DVD-Audio should have been in execution. Especially for two channel purists like me and likeminded.
  10. KentTeffeteller

    KentTeffeteller Active Member

    And you didn't get a Beogram CDX spindle damaged from the weight and the motor damaged either. And the CD side is not a true Redbook compliant disc either, very poor execution. CD+DVD please instead. My then girlfriend had that happen, a very hard to get part for that player then.
  11. KentTeffeteller

    KentTeffeteller Active Member

    Very true perspective here. And different mindset. Live sound is it's own thing. The professional studio of 40 years ago, before it went digital and cheaper, is very different. 2 inch, 24 track tape in my world is a sign of serious workmanship.
  12. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Although I love the (memories) 45-Single,
    Don't Cry For Me Argentina...
    and, let's face it, Karen's vocals are out of this world here...
    the album version, with the opera opening, does fill a need in introducing the song.

    Surprisingly, I feel the same regarding the flip: Calling Occupants.
    The Single--which omits Tony Peluso's opening--
    is not as effective as the album version.

    Thus, I defer to preferring the LP version of these two songs:
    I like the single versions, but I love the album versions.

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  13. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Julie Covington, "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" « American Songwriter

    June 24,2017
    American Songwriter,Julie Covington and Don't Cry For Me Argentina

    " The song and album were naturals for a stage presentation, which it eventually became a few years later.
    Patti LuPone’s powerful take on the song on Broadway is probably the definitive one,
    but that hasn’t stopped artists ranging from Karen Carpenter to Joan Baez at taking a shot. "
    "No matter who’s on the microphone, the source material is such that “Don’t Cry For Me Argentina”
    is a hard song to mess up if you can hit the notes (no easy feat.)
    Lloyd Webber’s orchestration provides the pomp suited to a stately speech, but his melody allows
    us to hear the character’s vulnerability and her genuine gratitude to the people of Argentina."
    "Whatever you think of the politics or historical accuracy of Evita,
    it’s hard to deny the potency of “Don’t Cry For Me Argentina.”
    That’s especially true when you hear all those would-be showstoppers that turn out to be just
    another song that goes like this and fall woefully short of this towering classic."
  14. Song4uman

    Song4uman Well-Known Member

    Haven't listened to this album all the way through for quite a while. I listened in the car yesterday and today to every song, all the way through, in order. I really enjoyed the album. When I first got this album, it was probably one of my least favorites...but I have grown to really enjoy it as time as gone by.

    I have the vinyl, but several years ago, a friend gave me mp3 of all the albums....so I am not sure if it is the original CD or the remastered. The album is different, daring if you will. Sad that it didn't do better and start them on a new track.

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  15. Jeff

    Jeff Well-Known Member

    This album is becoming increasingly more popular with me. As the years roll by the details of production continue to fascinate.
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  16. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Well-Known Member

    Indeed. I was just reading the liner notes for the 1998 YOM CD set, and it mentioned that both Richard and Peter Knight were nominated for a Grammy in 1978 for "Calling Occupants".
  17. ars nova

    ars nova Active Member

    Richard was nominated more times than carpenters. he was also nominated for SING.
  18. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Well-Known Member

    In this case it was the Carpenters who were nominated for " Best Arrangement Accompanying Vocalist(s)".
  19. Brian

    Brian Well-Known Member

    I agree! I really like 'Honolulu City Lights'. It's one of my favourites.
  20. Song4uman

    Song4uman Well-Known Member

    I mentioned earlier that I had been listening to this album again. I think that their fans had possibly grown tired of them after Kind of Hush...or had moved on to other artists.....and even though the album was very experimental, new fans weren't interested because of their reputation.
  21. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Honolulu City Lights

    That's correct and I uploaded a promo ad that confirms this here.
  22. Jeff

    Jeff Well-Known Member

    I have to admit that PASSAGE is my newest current hit album. The 1st time it's reached my top spot
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  23. Jeff

    Jeff Well-Known Member

    Haha, I thought you might "like" that comment Gary. I'm appreciating the diversity more than ever before. Plus in the past it was an oft listened to recording then of the last few years not so much. Me thinx Im delighted by a new and refreshed take.
  24. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    ^^Thanks, Jeff !
    And, I am re-listening to the Album today !
    And, it does take me back to 1977 when I first listened to the entire LP.
    It struck me as brilliant at the time...still does.
    Also, my appreciation for
    I Just Fall In Love Again
    only increases with time.
    Karen's lead vocals, especially.
    But, it is a lovely "epic" ballad--
    as much of an epic song as is Occupants, or Evita !
  25. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Honolulu City Lights

    Oh man what could be better than watching Carpenters and then Olivia one after the other...yeah I miss the 7o's. What a night!!!! Wednesday hey that's tomorrow!!!


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