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Rick

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In reading the liner notes again for "As Time Goes By" I remembered that in the English parts I could not find the names of the authors of "And When He Smiles". I believe in all the Japanese print included are the names of who wrote this song. Can anyone translate this?
 

Harry

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The song, originally called, "And When She Smiles" was written by Al Anderson and originally performed by his '60s group, The Wildweeds. Al later formed another group in the '70s called NRBQ (The New Rhythm & Blues Quartet).

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Rick

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Here's a few thoughts and a few more questions pertaining to "And When He Smiles".
I am so intrigued by this song it has some interesting musical texture and in my mind it's the best song on "As Time Goes By". I played this song for a friend of mine yesterday who is only lukewarm to the Carpenters. He recognizes their talent and agrees they are one of the great groups of our time- though he's more into the new wave 80's liking groups such as Devo and B-52's. His comment on the song is, "That's quite an entertaining song, worth another listen."

I really like the instrumental solo. Is that a guitar? If so, is it Tony Peluso? This being quite the outstanding track that it is I wonder why it was decided to make it a hidden track.

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Bruno

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I think "And When He Smiles" is a hidden track, because it was recorded in mono, not in stereo.

I like the song very much, too. In the booklet, Richard wrote, that the track comes from a live recording session at the BBC, London. I wonder, if there are any more songs from that recording session? If so, it would be great, if Richard would release them.

The guitar player for sure is not Tony Peluso, because to my knowledge he joined the Carpenters Band not before 1972 for the recording of "Goodbye To Love".
 

Harry

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The original BBC video of Carpenters doing "And When He Smiles" can be found online here.

It's a shame that this "hidden track" had to be buried after such a long medley, since it takes forever to fast-forward through the medley to get to the song.

Harry
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DAN BOLTON

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Bruno said:
I think "And When He Smiles" is a hidden track, because it was recorded in mono, not in stereo.

I like the song very much, too. In the booklet, Richard wrote, that the track comes from a live recording session at the BBC, London. I wonder, if there are any more songs from that recording session? If so, it would be great, if Richard would release them.

The guitar player for sure is not Tony Peluso, because to my knowledge he joined the Carpenters Band not before 1972 for the recording of "Goodbye To Love".


I was under the impression that Tony Peluso was a member of the Carpenters before 1972, but was doing a stint in the Army while the first couple of albums were recorded. I don't recall if he was featured on TICKET TO RIDE or not...maybe I have him mixed up with someone else, but SOMEBODY in the Carpenters was in the military during the early part of their career...

Dan
 

Rudy

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I think that was Gary Sims. I believe he was in the pre-Carpenters group Spectrum, and when they finally made it big and needed him again, he was in the military. Did join up later on, if I recall.

(Rudy's too lazy to go get the Carpenters book upstairs. :|

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Bruno

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I just listened once again to "And When he Smiles"; and I feel, it seems like an encore to the medley; perhaps that was the impression, Richard wanted to create by making it a hidden track?

In the booklet, Richard wrote, that this song was recorded for the FIRST BBC Television special. My questions are:

Was this a special like the ABC specials in the US,

and

are there any more BBC TV specials?

Thank you for answering!

Bruno

and yes, I know, how lonely life can be.....
 

Rick

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:blinkeye: In researching this further it looks like there were two BBC specials. One which aired on Nov. 6, 1971 (as stated in the ATGB liner notes). The title of the show was "UK: BBC In Concert" and was a live broadcast of a concert in London in which "And When He Smiles" was performed. Next piece of info to find out is where was the concert. Was it sold out?
The other appearance was on BBC's "Talk Of The Town".
 

PJ

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Hi All,
"And When He Smiles" was recorded for the 11/1971 BBC Special , a 50/ 55 minute TV special with Tony Joe White as support artist (wrote several excellent songs,covered by Elvis ).

Carpenters performed around 40/45 minutes of music.When the BBC repeated the special for Christmas 1994, this was an edited 33 minutes version , which I understand has been repeated on VH1 and other music channels in USA , Japan.

There are additional unreleased songs and outtakes , UK fans would love the BBC or a specialist music video company to release this special plus one of the documentaries for fans in 2003.We will keep writing / e-mailing.

Carpenters performed their UK live debut 9/1971 at The Royal Albert Hall to SRO audiences." AWHS" was performed live with other classics.I understand the concerts were filmed and recorded , there was a BBC radio special in 1971 , the other live version probably originates from this source.....

There were two other further BBC specials :

"Live at the Talk of the Town" (BBC February 1974)

-a live special with many classics and the "oldies medley" with Peluso and Cubby o'Brien to the fore for the group.This is a performance of great energy , drive and fun ...if any non-Carpenters fans mention Carpenters were too soft and easy listening ...one viewing of this special will change those attitudes.....

"Live at the New London Theatre" (BBC November 1976)

-recorded the day after completing the record -breaking series of concerts at the London Palladium and just prior to the release of "Live at The Palladium" album.

A superb special , highlighting the new stage act and songs.Repeated by the BBC August 1996 , but again edited for some reason ...possibly to fit into a time slot before the late film ?

Interesting to note that the Japanese special ( due 19/5 ) outlined by Yuko has loads of BBC recorded material plus other filmed live songs from Holland , Belgium etc .There must be tons of rare fim / recordings in Richard's archive ....just waiting for completion and future release......

Hopefully we can persuade the BBC to release several videos / DVD's of material in 2003 ior for Richard to compile a special of UK / European maretial sometime soon ....and there must be loads of American live film such as Hollywood Bowl , Universal Ampitheatre concerts etc......

In terms of live recordings , I would love to hear the remastered , digitally improved Richard and Karen versions of "Coming Through the Rye / "Good Vibrations" from the Palladium sessions outtakes ...perhaps on the forthcoming Box Set ?

Peter...Hopeful for more BBC / TV Specials material ....... :) :) :)
 

PJ

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Hi All,
"And When He Smiles" was recorded for the 11/1971 BBC Special , a 50/ 55 minute TV special with Tony Joe White as support artist (wrote several excellent songs,covered by Elvis ).

Carpenters performed around 40/45 minutes of music.When the BBC repeated the special for Christmas 1994, this was an edited 33 minutes version , which I understand has been repeated on VH1 and other music channels in USA , Japan.

There are additional unreleased songs and outtakes , UK fans would love the BBC or a specialist music video company to release this special plus one of the documentaries for fans in 2003.We will keep writing / e-mailing.

Carpenters performed their UK live debut 9/1971 at The Royal Albert Hall to SRO audiences." AWHS" was performed live with other classics.I understand the concerts were filmed and recorded , there was a BBC radio special in 1971 , the other live version probably originates from this source.....

There were two other further BBC specials :

"Live at the Talk of the Town" (BBC February 1974)

-a live special with many classics and the "oldies medley" with Peluso and Cubby o'Brien to the fore for the group.This is a performance of great energy , drive and fun ...if any non-Carpenters fans mention Carpenters were too soft and easy listening ...one viewing of this special will change those attitudes.....

"Live at the New London Theatre" (BBC November 1976)

-recorded the day after completing the record -breaking series of concerts at the London Palladium and just prior to the release of "Live at The Palladium" album.

A superb special , highlighting the new stage act and songs.Repeated by the BBC August 1996 , but again edited for some reason ...possibly to fit into a time slot before the late film ?

Interesting to note that the Japanese special ( due 19/5 ) outlined by Yuko has loads of BBC recorded material plus other filmed live songs from Holland , Belgium etc .There must be tons of rare film / recordings in Richard's archive ....just waiting for completion and future release......

Hopefully we can persuade the BBC to release several videos / DVD's of material in 2003 or for Richard to compile a special of UK / European material sometime soon ....and there must be loads of American live film such as Hollywood Bowl , Universal Ampitheatre concerts etc......

In terms of live recordings , I would love to hear the remastered , digitally improved Richard and Karen versions of "Coming Through the Rye / "Good Vibrations" from the Palladium sessions outtakes ...perhaps on the forthcoming Box Set ?

Peter...Hopeful for more BBC / TV Specials material ....... :) :) :)
 

Bruno

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Hi Peter,

thank you so much for your informations!!

I'm so glad, that I'm no longer the only Carpenters fan, who lives in Europe! :)

On my recent trip to London, I saw the Royal Albert Hall - what an impressive building! Much bigger than the Palladium.

Bruno
hoping, that the UK soon will join the Euro, so travelling to London becomes a lot easier :wink:
 

Rick

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:) I finally took the time to use the link (which Harry our Moderator so kindly provided) to view the BBC video of the Carpenters performing "And When He Smiles". Karen is great on the drums and sings perfectly at the same time- what a talent. She really should have played the drums on their albums. She's just as good as the session drummers they employed. I believe I caught a few glimpses of Joe Osborn plucking away on the bass guitar. And what I originally thought was a guitar solo in the middle, I now think may be Bob Messenger doing a solo on the electric flute.

About a year ago I viewed a clip of the Carpenters doing a live performance of "Look At Me, I'm Sandra Dee". Karen had a wig on, and was padded heavily to look like a big busted woman. It was quite humurous. Does anybody know where to find this clip, I'd like to view it again.
 

PJ

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Hi All,
"Sandra Dee" is part of the Grease medley performed by Carpenters on 1976 World Tour".

Understand this was filmed and recorded at London Palladium , now in Richard's archive.

I have seen a European concert special , either from Germany or Holland with the Grease medley performed.Karen with her huge false bust and Richard on his motorcycle !

Richard could release these live tracks as part of an expanded "Palladium" set or on a future Box Set for fans...... :) :)

Peter....remembering Grease footage / music.......
 

Rockduo

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Rick1229 said:
About a year ago I viewed a clip of the Carpenters doing a live performance of "Look At Me, I'm Sandra Dee". Karen had a wig on, and was padded heavily to look like a big busted woman. It was quite humurous. Does anybody know where to find this clip, I'd like to view it again.
Not sure whether a video clip of it is still up anywhere, but there is a RealAudio file and photo from the Grease Medley online. What a Bronxish accent Karen has there! Hard to believe Sandra Dee and the woman singing "And When He Smiles" are one and the same.

:wink:,
 

Rick

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:laugh: Just finished listening to the Carpenters' "Yesterday Once More/ Grease Medley". Thank you Rockduo for the link. I especially enjoyed Richard's rendition of "Beauty School Drop Out" he sounds good on this one. Though "Look At Me, I'm Sandra Dee" is the highlight, it just doesn't sound like the Karen we're used to hearing. Though that's just one more reason why we love her- she is truly quite a versatile singer with a host of different types of voices. I would love to somehow collect this on disc hopefully one day it will be released.
 
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