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Carpenters Unreleased Material (Poll)

Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by WYBIMLA, Mar 31, 2019.

Do you think fans will see any unreleased material again?

This poll will close on May 5, 2019 at 3:42 PM.
  1. Yes

  2. No

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  1. CarpentersToYou

    CarpentersToYou What I feel has come and gone before...

    I wonder how the "For All We Know" reprise from the London Bridge Special that was put on "Singles 1969-1981" would sound cleaned up with today's technologies. So, so many tracks could benefit from this technology. It is amazing what it did for IJFALA

    WYBIMLA Active Member Thread Starter

    Thanks for your votes all! :)
    It's close, but just over 40 die hard fans show a result of "No" to this question.

    When hearing Richard say "all done" I interpreted that as non-specific... meaning any future release.
    Now that answer is clearer. He's only focused on improving what's already in the catalogue.
    He has expressed guilt in the past for releasing outtakes. It's a shame because they bring fans so much joy.

    My research indicates that all the titles I mentioned in this thread have full leads.
    I could be wrong, but it's definitely a smaller list than you might think.
    There's reason why they remain in the can (e.g. being a Richard lead, the original artist did it well already, Karen's solo outtakes weren't finished, multi-track tape destroyed).

    But, of course, you never know if Richard will change his mind.
    There's a very small percentage of previously unreleased songs that have a chance.
    I'm sure there were outtakes of the outtakes from Lovelines and ATGB.
    Not to mention Demos or work leads from their singles we haven't heard before.
    I suppose there's not really anywhere to place them.

    I think there would be a market for it anyhow because Karen was one of the greatest singers of all time.
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2019
  3. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member

    Find the song by Michele Pillar. She has a voice that reminds me of Karen's. Its a VERY nice version.
  4. newvillefan

    newvillefan I Know My First Name Is Stephen

    I think that was in mono with everyone locked onto one track. A lot more difficult to clean up than something that was already recorded in 24 track stereo.
  5. CarpentersToYou

    CarpentersToYou What I feel has come and gone before...

    Excellent point. I hadn't thought that it might be mono.
  6. Mike Blakesley

    Mike Blakesley Well-Known Member Moderator

    Well sure, there is a market for anything she did. If somebody found a tape of 10-year-old Karen singing "Happy Birthday To You" at a friend's birthday party, it would probably sell. That doesn't mean Richard (or Karen) would want it out there in the marketplace. He is a real stickler for quality, so there are probably dozens of out-takes, flubbed lines, mispronounced words, or just plain bad performances (out of time, out of tune, Karen coughs in the middle or has a frog in her throat, etc etc etc.)

    Some people would buy everything and anything, but if you were Karen would you want that kind of material out in the wide world? I wouldn't. And Richard doesn't need the money anyway.
  7. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member

    I think the "flubs" keep it real, reminding us of their humanity even if her voice was one in a million (and it was).
    I'd line up to buy anything new and previously unreleased, but that's just me.
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  8. David A

    David A Well-Known Member

    This brings to mind some kind of "funny outtakes" material Richard probably could release - like things you mentioned. Hearing them laughing at some screw-up in the studio, etc. However, I don't think that's the kind of thing Richard would want out there, even though it would be quite a peek "behind the curtain" and seeing them as "real people" when the lights and cameras aren't on. But then, there's also value in keeping that distance with fans - the mystique that makes them seem bigger than life.

    Hmmm. I'm arguing with myself now :wink:

    Edited for spelling typos
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    WYBIMLA Active Member Thread Starter

    I think Richard could pull off a Carpenters "as you've never heard them before" concept album.
    The bulk of it would be filled with songs we know of with different leads, and a few previously unreleased songs or demos.
    Maybe some live tracks and chatter to fill it out.
    I know it's not the same quality he's thinking, but wow that would be an amazing peek into their creative process.

    Beatles, Bee Gees, and Beach Boys have released more stuff along these lines.
    To me it doesn't take away from anything... I think it adds to the genius.
  10. Rumbahbah

    Rumbahbah Well-Known Member

    There have already been a few of these - the version of 'Let Me Be the One' on From the Top includes Karen's counting in at the start and the extra ad-lib at the end, for instance. But again, I don't see which format these would could be released. This is the sort of thing that might appear on a box set, but after the Essential Collection, I'd very much doubt we'd get another one of these.
  11. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Well-Known Member

    We got “Make Believe It’s Your First Time” with Karen’s “serious mood” comment on VOTH. And the full “Let Me Be The One” with breakdown has appeared on the US version of 40/40. We’ve even had Richard’s count in on “Goodbye To Love” appear on a number of compilations.

    WYBIMLA Active Member Thread Starter

    It's true we've had gems given to us here and there. The only trouble with there not being more is the current state of the industry today.

    Artists nowadays have to saturate the market with content (an extreme example in recent time is seeing the release of an album with 45 tracks).
    In the spirit of keeping the legacy alive and keeping up with the times, it's in the best interest of the brand to find new, creative ways of providing that for fans.

    I suppose the RPO series does the job.

    Unless you're a die hard fan, you wouldn't do some digging to find rare material. As I said, there are other older acts that have more demos, alternative versions/takes or even instrumentals readily available.
    I know Richard has stated he's not really in the business anymore... and perfectionism won't allow any more previously unreleased material.

    I can't be the only one who sees the shame in that. Just my opinion anyways.

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