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Official Review [Single]: 21. "GOOFUS"/"BOAT TO SAIL" (1859-S)

Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by Chris May, May 4, 2017.

Which side is your favorite?

  1. Side A: "Goofus"

    15 vote(s)
    38.5%
  2. Side B: "Boat To Sail"

    24 vote(s)
    61.5%
  1. ars nova

    ars nova Active Member

    MORE THAN DANCING was only available in the us as an import, and they were few and far between. C&T left A&M because they felt the A&M machine had lost confidence in them. they went to CASABLANCA were they had a #1 hit. due to multi reasons CASABLANCA folded as their second album was released. I think the DANCING album must have been self funded because it was on a MOONLIGHT AND MAGNOLIAS label; everything TONI did was associated with moonlight and magnolias.
     
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  2. Boat to Sail was the B side here in Australia as well.
     
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  3. Graeme

    Graeme Active Member

    Goofus. I just like the whole feel of it and Karen delivers an upbeat vocal, there are great harmonies, an interesting arrangement and a tuba. It's a track that would have inevitably appeared on a Richard Carpenter Trio album had rock tuba taken off.

    Boat to Sail is a close second (though almost won if only for that moment when Karen does that final exhale at the 3.03 mark).
     
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  4. Brian

    Brian Well-Known Member

    I agree. I reckon 'Goofus' is great! I love the tuba. I love the harmonies. I love the range and the fun of the song. It would be one of the best three songs on the 'A Kind of Hush' album.

    I don't think I am such a big fan of the final 'Ah' on 'Boat to Sail', or any of the other 'Ahs'. 'Boat to Sail' is a reasonable song, but nowhere near as enjoyable as 'Goofus'.
     
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  5. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Well-Known Member

    FL
    My vote goes to Goofus, I really like that song. I have never been able to get into Boat to Sail and usually skip it when it appears on rotation. I have a test pressing 45 rpm of Goofus that sounds really nice and being issued with a mono recording is terrific. I like Karen's vocal performance on this track and the sax solo and drums are neat.
     
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  6. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    ^^Yes, I have often stated--and, still believe-- that Carpenters'
    Goofus has a great arrangement.
    And, those harmonies !
    I do love the song !
     
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  7. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

  8. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    The worst two songs on the album paired as a single. Who made these decisions?
     
  9. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Well-Known Member

  10. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Had to chime in--again--regarding the song
    Goofus.....
    First, it is of some interest to note that (according to the website Who's sampled...)
    the song Goofus occurs in very few incarnations. Of those, fewer still with vocals.
    And, that being said, my assessment remains unaltered:
    Creative arrangement , great harmonies and fluid vocals.
    Really, for me, this song is a winner off of the Hush album.

    What does not help this song is the attempt to lip-sync in the 1978 Space Encounters Special.
    That "shtick" does it no favors. Too bad.
     
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  11. Jeff

    Jeff Well-Known Member

    I'm split I love the background vocals and arrangements of both. I voted so long ago I forget which one I chose. I choose both this morning. Well heck, any morning.
     
  12. Brian

    Brian Well-Known Member

    I agree, GaryAlan. There's something really different and appealing about the song and it sounds great. It's always been one of my favourites from 'A Kind of Hush'. I really dislike the video from the special, though.
     
  13. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    (page 18) CashBox ,August 28, 1976:
    "CARPENTERS (A&M 1859)
    Goofus (3:09) (Leo Feist — ASCAP) (W. King, W. Harold, G. Kahn)
    An inspired choice for a single from this duo. The two take this old song and make it
    their own. The harmonies are outstanding, and Karen Carpenter has never sung better.
    A fun song, this will get a lot of MOR play, and should get a lot of pop adds too. Slick sax
    solo."


    CashBox
    October 9th, 1976:
    "ON THE SINGLES SCENE
    : Among the most heavily programmed
    jukebox singles in the area, according to Ralph LaRose of Syracuse One Stop, are:
    “Do You Feel Like We Do” by Peter Frampton (A&M), “A Dose Of Rock And Roll” by Ringo Starr
    (Atlantic), “Love So Right” by the Bee Gees (RSO), “I Only Want To Be With You” by the Bay
    City Rollers (Arista), “Goofus” by The Carpenters (A&M), “Muskrat Love” by the Captain &
    Tennille (A&M) and “The Reaper” by Blue Oyster Cult (Columbia)."
     
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  14. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    So, I am listening to Goofus this morn.
    What is interesting here is that---as is well known---
    Saturday, Mr. Guder, Druscilla Penny....haven't worn well with me through the years.
    (as with the overdose of Medleys).

    On the other hand, each time I listen to Goofus,
    as with the 1976 Cashbox Review above,
    I greatly enjoy the "outstanding harmonies."
    And, I do feel it is an "inspired choice."
     
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  15. Kristopher

    Kristopher Active Member

    You is my favorite song from the album. VERY RADIO FRIENDLY and goes back to their classic sound.

    Goofus Was my first 45. I got it in 2000 when I was 12 and played the heck out of it. Love the song, but had they released something like this on A Song For You or Now & Then it would’ve been more appreciated.

    By the way Gary Drucilla Penny and Saturday and For All we know are two of my favorite songs from that album.
     
  16. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Well-Known Member

    It's funny, I also got my first Carpenters 45 in 2000, but it wasn't Goofus, although it was from the same album. It was There's A Kind Of Hush (All Over The World).
     
  17. Kristopher

    Kristopher Active Member

    A Kind Of Hush was my favorite song when I was age 3-5. I played Singles 74-78 and Offering like crazy as a kid. Multiple times a day. Drove my family nuts!

    Singles 1974-1978 was the first album cover I remember seeing and hearing. I loved Kind Of Hush and sweet sweet smile as a toddler and would dance singing “early in the morning till it’s dark”
     
  18. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Well-Known Member

    For the Singles 1974-78 do you have the 3 cover variants?
     
  19. Kristopher

    Kristopher Active Member

    Wait there was 3 different covers for 1974-1978?!
     
  20. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Well-Known Member

    Check out the pics #’s 4 & 5.

    Trevor Thurlow Productions
     
  21. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    An abomination of a single. Terrible A-side that never should have even been recorded in the first place, coupled with a sleeper B-side (even if it is a lovely track). Whoever thought up this combination at this point in their career needs their head examined. Richard never should have let this one through.
     
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  22. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Can I repeat my previous Post ?
    CashBox , August 28, 1976 (page 18):
    "CARPENTERS (A&M 1859)
    Goofus (3:09) (Leo Feist — ASCAP) (W. King, W. Harold, G. Kahn):
    An inspired choice for a single from this duo. The two take this old song and make it
    their own. The harmonies are outstanding, and Karen Carpenter has never sung better.
    A fun song, this will get a lot of MOR play, and should get a lot of pop adds too. Slick sax
    solo."


    CashBox October 9th, 1976:
    "ON THE SINGLES SCENE
    : Among the most heavily programmed
    jukebox singles in the area
    , according to Ralph LaRose of Syracuse One Stop, are:
    “Do You Feel Like We Do” by Peter Frampton (A&M), “A Dose Of Rock And Roll” by Ringo Starr
    (Atlantic), “Love So Right” by the Bee Gees (RSO), “I Only Want To Be With You” by the Bay
    City Rollers (Arista), “Goofus” by The Carpenters (A&M), “Muskrat Love” by the Captain &
    Tennille (A&M) and “The Reaper” by Blue Oyster Cult (Columbia)."
     
  23. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    I wondered when this thread would resurface again :whistle:
     
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  24. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Well-Known Member

    Any idea where on the Jukebox chart it got?
     
  25. John Adam

    John Adam "waitin' for the music"

    Guess it goes hand in hand with the activity of the "Hush" album thread! (Which I've been following lately.)

    I personally don't care for Goofus. It is just plain goofy. It would of made a great non-album B-side curiosity at best. Karen sounds great, as she does on all of the "Hush" album. I just don't think it's a great song period. I don't know if any (artist) could make me like this song. But I don't blame this single for being the downfall of the Carpenters pop career in the States. That's my only defense of "Goofus."
     
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