Hollywood Palace In Color?

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I did a forum search to see if this topic had been discussed, but couldn't find anything specific, so I'm going to ask anyway.

While looking through eBay this evening, I encountered DVD copies of the Hollywood Palace program with Herb & The Brass, Sergio & Brasil '66, Julius & The Baja Marimba Band, Bacharach, etc. I have a VHS copy; a black & white kinescope, so the quality is somewhat poor. I notice that the eBay DVDs are described as being in the color format with original commercials intact. Interesting.

Has anyone seen these? Anyone care to comment on the quality of them? I guess, more than anything else, I wonder if these were taken from the same source as the kinescopes? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Jon
 
I've heard about this but not seen it. I think the black & white kinescope has been floating around for a while longer until someone accessed the original videotape from which ABC ran the show, hence the commercials being intact.

I've only seen the black & white version - and it's an A&M fan's dream-come-true. Come to think of it, I'd only ever seen this in black & white, since Hollywood Palace ran on the weekends and we were always at our cottage on the weekends and back then only had access to black & white TV.

This would be a great DVD in color.

Harry
 
I have it in color. It's pretty decent. I had the VHS but had it transferred to DVD. I also just found another Palace show with Fred Astaire as host and the TJB perform a few songs. As I recall this was the show where I first heard the TJB and I was hooked from the start. But I don't have the commercials with these shows.

I also found another Andy Williams show with the Brass, and they do a few songs, including a neat version of "America". It seems these shows are starting to show up quite a bit on eBay on a more frequent basis.


Capt. Bacardi
 
Capt. Bacardi, what songs does the TJB play on the Fred Astaire Hollywood Palace show and do they perform live or is it pantomimed?

David,
curious
 
Right now I'm having the tape transfered to DVD, but from the top of my head they played "Lonely Bull" live, then the rest was the lip-sync thing. I think they went through the motions of "What Now My Love" and another song, then later they "played" a little medley while a female dancer did her thing to "Spanish Flea", "Love Potion #9" and I think "Whipped Cream".



Capt. Bacardi
 
It's great to see more and more vintage TV/music items come out on DVD...commercially.

I've seen many of the old TJB TV specials turn up on ebay. Any word on their quality?? I wonder because of what the source might be.

Research indicates that VCR's existed as of 1967 or so, but they were open reel, the size of a coffee table and very, very expensive. So it's possible that they come from somebody's collection.

The other source might be something I've heard about for around 20 years. In New York City there's a museum of broadcasting or something like that?? I've heard that there's "leaks" out of there when it comes to pop music related TV shows (and there has been for years - The TAMI Show, 33 & 1/3 Revolutions Per Monkee, etc.).
 
whippedflea said:
Research indicates that VCR's existed as of 1967 or so, but they were open reel, the size of a coffee table and very, very expensive. So it's possible that they come from somebody's collection.
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Actually, VTRs (video tape recorders) were around, and like you say, they were a reel-to-reel machines. We had one in high school, and back then the technology did not support color, only black and white. (No telling how old ours in school was.) It may have been called the U-Matic format (Mr Bill would know). The VCR (video cassette recorders, with the tape reels encased within a plastic cassette) debuted around the mid to late 70s.
 
Ampex introduced the first broadcast VTRs long before that, and by 1962 there were a handful of domestic VTRs on the market, although they were only for the very rich because not only were the machines expensive, so were the tapes. I messed about with an early Shibaden reel-to-reel VTR in the late 60s.

Philips introduced the first tape cassette format in the early 70s, and Sony introduced their version - U-Matic - initially as a lowband domestic format, but later in a high band professional version which was used by many small TV stations.

My business partner, Lucy Reeve, runs a little company called "The Video Ark" in London. She specialises in copying strange format tapes, as well as copying many hundreds of hours of broadcast programmes on to modern digital formats.

Many old TV programmes that were "missing - believed to be wiped" have subsequently turned up on strange reels of tape. Well-paid TV writers and performers often bought these early recorders for the purpose of keeping their own copies of programmes they'd worked on. These tapes are now being restored to allow broadcast repeats of series like "Dad's Army" or "Hancock's Half-Hour" here in the UK.

The oddest thing my friend ever came across was a quarter inch reel of tape which turned out to be a colour recording of The Beatles appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show. The recorded format was (astonishingly) 405-lines, NTSC. (The former was the UK line standard, but the latter is the US colour format). Lucy was able to play the tape and make a satisfactory copy!

My guess is that Herb would almost certainly have acquired a viedo recorder as soon as one was available, so he doubtless has tapes of all the things he did on TV, plus possibly material he recorded with a video camera.
 
For some time now, as I have accumulated old TJB TV appearances, I have made compilations and forwarded copies to Herb. He was most appreciative and told me that not only had he not seen many of the shows, but that he hadn't even remembered doing them!

So there you go. While you would think that Herb would have had the latest in technology, maybe he did in the audio department, but not the video. Also, in the heyday of the TJB and A&M, he probably did so much that it was somewhat of a blur to him. As he said in many interviews, "I used to be taller." :)
 
Old thread revived for the following "picture":

From an eBay auction:

HollywoodPalace.jpg


Harry
 
I just received this DVD the other day - the guy had about 15 of these to sell as a Dutch auction. I had already owned another version of this show but this version seems to come from a master tape. The picture is extremely clean, as is the sound. It also has the original commercials, which is neat to see. Definitely worth getting!



Capt. Bacardi
 
Captain Bacardi said:
I just received this DVD the other day - the guy had about 15 of these to sell as a Dutch auction. I had already owned another version of this show but this version seems to come from a master tape. The picture is extremely clean, as is the sound. It also has the original commercials, which is neat to see. Definitely worth getting!



Capt. Bacardi
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That's good to hear. It looked like a real nice copy based on the screen grabs he had up on the eBay page, so I bid on one too, just for the heck of it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110170447142

One hour and a few minutes left on this round.

Harry
 
Hey WhippedFlea:

There is INDEED a Museum of Broadcasting in New York City!! How do I know? I used to go there frequently;particularly in the late 80s and 90s.The last time I was there was in 2002 or 2003, but it has everything for the TV buff!

That's the place where I saw my first TJB special,"The Brass Are Coming",and they also have the "Hollywood Palace" special with Fred Astaire as the host.As the Captain said, they did do a live version of "The Lonely Bull", then they did a pre-recorded track of "Freckles" and some other tunes,then Astaire pulled him over, and they cracked some jokes' then they went to a commercial break.

The next sequence did involve some female dancer and I think the tune she was dancing to was an original tune written specifically for this number.Also, in the "Palace" episode,Herb described the group's sound;saying it was a combination of Mexican music and jazz, and how the whole sound was inspired by that famous trip to the Mexican bullring in 1962.

Ironically enough,the "Palace" episode that I saw was in "live-looking" full blown color,while TBAC tape is in black and white.TBAC is also kind of blurry and fuzzy;while the Palace special is in perfect condition.Also,and the end of the Palace episode,the group perform their latest hit at the time: "A Taste Of Honey".

Also,yes I did see the TAMI show, and there's lots more videos, TV shows and specials for you to check out!The Museum is in midtown Manhattan;located at 52nd or 53rd st off of 5th avenue, I believe. I hope that one day you check it out;you'll be glad that you did!
 
hi all
I just ordered the same DVD as you guys did from the hollywood palace.
and I like to ask the person that has it on ebay is he good out at sending items and how long would it take to get as I live in cleveland,ohio
thanks
bob
 
I got mine yesterday.

There was a little snafu with my purchase - the seller claimed that he never got notification from PayPal that I'd paid, so until I sent him an email, he hadn't noticed that I'd "won" one of his items.

He made up for it though by sending it Express Mail.

A quick look at the DVD: it looks great, just like it would have played on ABC all those years ago. On today's giant TVs with HDTV capability the image looks a little soft, but really that's the way a videotaped program looked back then. Unfortunately, the disc has no chapter encoding, meaning you have to fast-forward through something to get to the next act or event.

Harry
 
Harry said:
Unfortunately, the disc has no chapter encoding, meaning you have to fast-forward through something to get to the next act or event.
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Yeah, I had to fast forward to get past the Liza stuff. :hurl:



Capt. Bacardi
 
hi all how is everyone doing? just to let you know I did my copy of the dvd that was mention above, and 1 question maybe mine was defective,
but mine will not play on my stand alone dvd player and computer. does any one here is having the same problem.
bob
 
Mine worked great. I only tried it on one DVD player though.

Harry
 
I got it to play, from I saw first the person did send it out quick the person said they were going to send it out this past wednesday and I got it in todays mail so the person is excellent about that. but from I saw it had to be region 2 which plays in europe and not here in this county now the research I did some will play those disc but not on my player. so what I did I downloaded some free software that would make the change and it worked. and if anyone would like to get that free sofware pm me and I will tell you the web site. again perfect picture quality that had to be taken from a master 3/4 inch u matic. so I am very happy.
bob
 
Some friends gave me a copy of the DVD at my birthday party on Monday, and I've played it once.

The sound and color are excellent, and I enjoyed seeing the giant album cover backdrops. Commercials are great too, but there's one space for an ad that's blank & it immediately shifts back to the program.

I'd guess this was a spot for station identification.

"Trains & Boats & Plains" (Liza & Wes) and Boyce & Hart's "Last Train to Clarksville" don't appear on LPs, but I think everything else does.

Claudine, Sandpipers and Jimmie Rodgers are noticeably absent. No explanation for the first two, but the latter most likely was still in the hospital following that Dec. '67 highway attack incident.

At the end they say tune in next week for a Christmas episode hosted by Bing Crosby & family, which is a good indication of the time frame.

Besides the DVD I received another great A&M related birthday gift: a fully signed copy of Nazareth's LOUD AND PROUD obtained by a friend when the band was on tour in th early '90s. One of the signers was Original Drummer Darrell Sweet, who died in April 1999.

Got loads of birthday greetings on MySpace as well, including a nice note from Evie Sands.

Couldn't ask for a better birthday, A&M-wise and in general.

JB
 
Yes, a big Happy Birthday to our good friend LPJim! Nice present - and that video is really nice!

Harry
 
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