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The official "Now" review thread.

Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by Sue, Feb 10, 2019.

"Now". Yay or nay.

  1. Yay

    34 vote(s)
  2. Nay

    9 vote(s)
  1. Chris

    Chris Well-Known Member

    Exactly the way I felt and still feel about it. You summed it up so well, Murray.
  2. A&M Retro

    A&M Retro Well-Known Member

    I think those who are looking for weakness in Karen’s vocals are going to find it. I also believe that most who ‘hear’ these supposed flaws know that it was Karen’s swansong. Knowing that fact generates such a reaction.

    It’s the same goofy reaction that casual fans often have when watching, say, ‘A Song For You’ clip from Bob Hope ‘72, and observing, ‘Oh, wow! She’s so thin here!’
    Of course, she wasn’t even remotely ill in 1972. But people see and hear what they want to see and hear.

    I, for one, think Karen sounds amazing and much less tentative on ‘Now’ than she does on MIA. I also think she sounds just like the Karen of the early ‘70s on ‘You’re Enough’, which, as we all know, was also recorded in April, 1982.
  3. ThaFunkyFakeTation

    ThaFunkyFakeTation Ah am so steel een luv weeth yoo

    Oh, that's bizarre! LOL!! I would never figure that tune for an uptempo treatment. 'Course, without the lyric (which I'm guessing came later?), it does work. Wow...

  4. The beauty of "Now" is that Karen DID sound a bit tired, mature, wise. But no one can deny how gorgeous her voice still was; especially the incredible, powerful "surprise" last line. To my ears, the choir was appropriate because it suggested heavenly angels.
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  5. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Well-Known Member

    “Now” should’ve been left in the vaults. It is very weak, and I don’t think it was because she was ill, since Karen also recorded “You’re Enough” during the same session (along with 2 other songs), so she was very clearly in good vocal health. And “You’re Enough” is clearly the superior of the two 1982 released recordings. Most of the time when I listen to VOTH or “From The Top/The Essential Collection”, I usually jump to the next track.
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  6. Rick-An Ordinary Fool

    Rick-An Ordinary Fool Honolulu City Lights

    I don't have the UK 7" but found these on the net. Thought it would be nice to show the picture sleeve and how this single was presented in the UK.
    I didn't know that it was also released in Brazil as a single 7" with a quite different sleeve. Why does the labels for the Brazil 7" say Stereo~Mono?


    UK labels

    Brazil sleeve and labels
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  7. Murray

    Murray Well-Known Member

    I noticed that the Brazil single is 33 1/3 RPM. Could there have been TWO tracks on each side, one stereo and the other mono?
  8. Carpe diem

    Carpe diem Well-Known Member

    I'm speechless...Bravo! :righton:
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  9. Kacfan

    Kacfan Member

    It has also always felt me to like a message from Karen from beyond to us - I mean the fact that it was her last recorded song and the first new song most fans heard after her passing, and the fact she sounded different yet sublime .
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  10. Jarred

    Jarred Active Member

    For me it's hard to listen to the song, honestly. Randy Schmidt noted in LGB that something was missing in her voice/timbre during that recording and I hear it too; it's like she was spiritually already slipping away, her life force on its way out at 32. It's to tangibly hear that emptiness, coupled with knowing it's her final recording ever, along with the haunting touch of the lyrics as a kind of farewell. Now she's free, now she understands, now she's complete in some way she hadn't been before. It's one of those mystical/fate alignments that means so much more after the fact that she drifted away forever...
  11. newvillefan

    newvillefan I Know My First Name Is Stephen

    I really enjoyed your assessment of the song Ed. I agree, her voice does sound different on this track. Right up to 1980, she still had that rich, warm tone to her voice (think The Uninvited Guest), whereas just two years later, her tone is thin and reedy. From the opening note to the last line she sings, there's quite a range there and whilst technically she hits all the notes, the timbre - especially in the lower register - is not the same as before.

    I voted yay for the song, because it's a pretty tune and symbolic as it's Karen's last recording, but I agree with you. It would seem that by 1982, Richard was either deaf to the changing musical trends of the time, or resolutely refused to adapt, thus effectively also holding Karen back as an artist. I know he never thought of them as a trendy act, but to be recording tracks like this in 1982, they never stood a chance on radio.


    Beautiful song and gets my vote :)
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  13. Someday

    Someday Active Member

    I disagree with the negative also, regarding KC's performance. Any musicians here (or anyone who's tried to sing it) will know that "Now" has a pretty wide range and jumps around all over - a challenge for any vocalist. I do agree that the arrangement isn't that great; try to imagine how it might have been with the Cs own backing harmonies - gorgeous, no doubt :)
  14. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    I can't honestly say I do not like the song. I do believe (and have from first hear in 1983)
    that Karen's lead vocals sound thin, airy, weak. The lyric is certainly moving, as is the
    emotive timbre in the lead vocal. In fact, I am reminded of another song which is 'rangy':
    Because We Are In Love. But, compare those two songs, in their highs and lows.
    It is incredible to my ears that the weakness in Karen's vocal is not readily perceived by everyone.

    Here is a cover, Mariya Takeuchi (note guitar solo, nice touch):
  15. CraigGA

    CraigGA Well-Known Member

    The only thing that disturbs me is that she spent a year or better trying to break the mold of elevator status to come back from therapy jumping back in to what she wanted to transition from. The song is elevator music to begin with, but her voice gives it a magic touch even though it not at its best. But thstbsong dong can only be elevated so far and she took it to its best, yet the chorale pulls it back down. Richard has expressed frustrations over their perception yet this song plays right to the reason. As fans, we like it, but as those on the outside it’s back to the 1940’s.
  16. ThaFunkyFakeTation

    ThaFunkyFakeTation Ah am so steel een luv weeth yoo

    Richard gets a lot of the blame for being terminally uncool and for "holding Karen back". Heck, I've done it myself but how much of that blame does Karen deserve? I mean she did sing the songs. She could have resisted, right? Just thinking out loud.

  17. Carpe diem

    Carpe diem Well-Known Member

    I voted "yay" even thought it is obvious Karen's voice is not at its best. There is an element of "sweetness" in her delivery that gets to me.
  18. Greg

    Greg Member

    To me 'Now' is one of Karen's most gorgeous moments as a singer. There is something so intimate and fragile in her performance which underlines the bitersweet irony of the song - as Karen never found that one love she craved and she was still very much locked in her own personal battles right up until the end. Her tone is almost one of disappointment and the sweetest resignation - it's hard to pinpoint.

    It reminds me of Billie Holiday's last work on 'Lady in Satin' when her voice was far from its peak, but in the vocal changes there was a startling truth - and one much more affecting and communicative than any vocal perfection.
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  19. newvillefan

    newvillefan I Know My First Name Is Stephen

    When I read your comment, it reminded me immediately of the anecdote Karen told in one interview that she sometimes didn't even know what song she'd be recording until she got to the studio. That doesn't sound like an even partnership to me where song selection is concerned. Yes she sang the songs but I suspect, and this has never been documented as far as I'm aware, that for the most part Karen went along with what Richard came up with because she regarded him as a musical genius, trusted his choices and deferred to him as the younger sibling. We've also read and heard many times that it was Richard who was always on the lookout for the next hit and where he found some of them. I've rarely heard of a time where Karen made the choice. Richard even decided on some occasions when they were releasing singles. From newsletter #74, April 1982:

    "It was not until after the last newsletter was published that Richard decided to release Beechwood 4-5789 on Karen's birthday, so we hope you're catching it on your airwaves, and expect to see some chart action soon".
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2019
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  20. ThaFunkyFakeTation

    ThaFunkyFakeTation Ah am so steel een luv weeth yoo

    This should probably be its own thread so I don't derail this one any further. My bad.

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  21. Jarred

    Jarred Active Member

    I think the "even partnership" discussion is relevant in connection to "Now" because it is such a step back from her feeling of liberation recording the solo stuff. Maybe she didn't hate Now and these outdated songs but I have no doubt it's not what she really wanted to be singing either. She sounds defeated on Now and You're Enough (both tracks are well below her gifts and a far cry from the sumptuousness of say the Tan Album) - the profound melancholy of her voice from the 70s heydays has turned a darker corner than ever before. I know the whole solo debate gets heated here, but in personal and historical context it's completely relevant in relation to these post 1979 recordings; as Itchy(?) said, she never fully trusted Richard after what he said and did regarding her agency as a person and as an artist. And these 1982 recordings were after both that and her miserable love life/marriage, so those two traumatic events certainly color one's perception of her mindset at this time.
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  22. AnnaSock

    AnnaSock Active Member

    I’m inclined to agree here. Now, as discussed, utilised Karen’s higher register which we weren’t as used to hearing, and I think given what we know about her health at the time, it’s easy to label ‘different’ as weaker or not so good.

    Obviously, it’s each to their own though, and I mean no offence to anyone who disagrees.

    For me personally, Now holds a special place in my heart for many reasons. I wouldn’t say it’s my favourite Carpenters’ track, but I’ve given it a yay because I feel it’s very poignant and a beautiful gift, given that at the time it was released nobody really expected to hear any new songs from Karen.
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  23. ThaFunkyFakeTation

    ThaFunkyFakeTation Ah am so steel een luv weeth yoo

    Again, this isn’t about higher notes - at least it isn’t for me. This is about a weak voice. Her voice is weaker than usual here. It touches notes and evaporates by and large. Her tone is also largely absent the way we knew it previously. She doesn’t sound awful by any means; just not the same. That’s my issue.

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  24. Mark-T

    Mark-T Well-Known Member

    To my ears, Karen sounds great- she's just singing in a higher key than on the hits that made them famous. Seems like on this song and Made in America, it was a direction Richard was taking her. Which I never understood because he leveraged that as something that worked against Karen on her solo album.
  25. newvillefan

    newvillefan I Know My First Name Is Stephen

    Thank you! That’s another thing which has always annoyed me about the song, as beautiful as it is. It’s in too high a key most of the time.
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