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Does anyone else who likes Herb Albert and the TJ brass play trumpet?Captaindave
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bob
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yes I play the trumpet for 30 years and in the tjb days, alica herb alpert
the make he played was a chicago benge, I myself play a king which has a brasser sound like for jazz. and welcome to the A&M corner, and his was a more of to me was a softer tone. becasue every trumpet has there own sound. some more brasser. and some have a fulller tone. the students models have a tinier sound.
bob papp
the make he played was a chicago benge, I myself play a king which has a brasser sound like for jazz. and welcome to the A&M corner, and his was a more of to me was a softer tone. becasue every trumpet has there own sound. some more brasser. and some have a fulller tone. the students models have a tinier sound.
bob papp
I too am a trumpet player. Not a very good one but I play. And, tah dah, it was Herb who inspired me to play. The smooth, melodic flow of "The Lonely Bull" caught my attention. Herb did, does, have a couple of techniques which other trumpet players use but Herb stands out with this style...his slurs and kissing of notes is what really got me going. My favorite examples of slurs are The Lonely Bull, and Lollipops and Roses...and for note kissing it would be ATOH, Whipped Cream, and Spanish Flea.
Tom...kissing and slurring on line!
Tom...kissing and slurring on line!
Alicia,
Sorry I didn't mention this before but the trumpet I own is an Olds Ambassador made in Fullerton, California. It's as heavy as a tank. I don't know if this is true for many folks but whenever I first pick up my horn, when it's still cold, I'm not as good as when the horn actually warms up. Perhaps it's not the horn but probably me and my lips. Just seems to have a better feel when the brass warms up.
Tom....playing, as Herb says, a piece of plumbing.
Sorry I didn't mention this before but the trumpet I own is an Olds Ambassador made in Fullerton, California. It's as heavy as a tank. I don't know if this is true for many folks but whenever I first pick up my horn, when it's still cold, I'm not as good as when the horn actually warms up. Perhaps it's not the horn but probably me and my lips. Just seems to have a better feel when the brass warms up.
Tom....playing, as Herb says, a piece of plumbing.
Wow! I got mine used too! This is so cool. I'll need to check my trumpet one more time to see which type it is also. You're helping me a lot... thank you!Captaindave
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My present trumpets are:
1. French Besson Classic. This is a trumpet that has a Najoom leadpipe, and had design input from Dennis Najoom, co-principal trumpet for the Milwaukee Symphony, and maker of Najoom custom leadpipes for trumpets. It was made in the Kanstul factory for Boosey/Hawkes, the owner of Besson. This a very versatile trumpet, and would play well in just about any situation.
2. Vintage King Silver Flair. Made in about 1969 in Eastlake, Ohio. Those who know trumpets well and some of the historical information surrounding them will relate to the significance of the Silver Flair being made in that time period. This is also a very versatile trumpet, but is even better for playing lead or jazz.
3. Mouthpiece. I play both a Bach 3C and Bach 1.25C mouthpieces, with the 3C as the primary mouthpiece. For me, mouthpieces smaller than a 3C are too small.
I have owned Bach Strad, Benge, Yamaha, and Blessing trumpets, and find my present two horns to be the most satisfactory so far.
Vintage Olds trumpets are excellent, especially if you can get a good Olds Recording trumpet. If you really want to learn about Olds, I'll post a website a little later... (don't remember the URL just now).
Herb Alpert's main trumpet from the days with the original TJB was a Chicago Benge... made in 1951 when Elden Benge was still making horns in Chicago. I'll put up a website a little later when I post the Olds information...
Herb has also played Marcinkiewicz(Wild Romance, North on South Street, and Midnight Sun period) and Kanstul trumpets (Second Wind Colors, Passion Dance period). I believe he played a King Silver Flair around the Magic Man time... I believe he is back on the Chicago Benge on Fandango, among others...
1. French Besson Classic. This is a trumpet that has a Najoom leadpipe, and had design input from Dennis Najoom, co-principal trumpet for the Milwaukee Symphony, and maker of Najoom custom leadpipes for trumpets. It was made in the Kanstul factory for Boosey/Hawkes, the owner of Besson. This a very versatile trumpet, and would play well in just about any situation.
2. Vintage King Silver Flair. Made in about 1969 in Eastlake, Ohio. Those who know trumpets well and some of the historical information surrounding them will relate to the significance of the Silver Flair being made in that time period. This is also a very versatile trumpet, but is even better for playing lead or jazz.
3. Mouthpiece. I play both a Bach 3C and Bach 1.25C mouthpieces, with the 3C as the primary mouthpiece. For me, mouthpieces smaller than a 3C are too small.
I have owned Bach Strad, Benge, Yamaha, and Blessing trumpets, and find my present two horns to be the most satisfactory so far.
Vintage Olds trumpets are excellent, especially if you can get a good Olds Recording trumpet. If you really want to learn about Olds, I'll post a website a little later... (don't remember the URL just now).
Herb Alpert's main trumpet from the days with the original TJB was a Chicago Benge... made in 1951 when Elden Benge was still making horns in Chicago. I'll put up a website a little later when I post the Olds information...
Herb has also played Marcinkiewicz(Wild Romance, North on South Street, and Midnight Sun period) and Kanstul trumpets (Second Wind Colors, Passion Dance period). I believe he played a King Silver Flair around the Magic Man time... I believe he is back on the Chicago Benge on Fandango, among others...
Captaindave
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OK...here's some information:
For Olds, look at http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds.htm
For Benge, look at www.dallasmusic.org/gearhead/Benge.html
Check it out, if you want to learn some more about this...
For Olds, look at http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds.htm
For Benge, look at www.dallasmusic.org/gearhead/Benge.html
Check it out, if you want to learn some more about this...
Captaindave
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Jay Maynes/Juan Oskar
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Hi Alicia,
Here is some warm-up advice.
http://abel.hive.no/trumpet/warmup/
1. To play high: Fast Air...not lots of air
2. Stay away from Bach mouthpieces. :goofygrin:
Later...................Jay
Here is some warm-up advice.
http://abel.hive.no/trumpet/warmup/
1. To play high: Fast Air...not lots of air
2. Stay away from Bach mouthpieces. :goofygrin:
Later...................Jay
Captaindave
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When it comes to equipment for the trumpet player, the choices are vast, and very personal and subjective. You really need to have a good knowledge of products and product differences in order to make good decisions when it comes to trumpets and mouthpieces. The instrument and mouthpiece are tools to accomplish a job, and different players and playing circumstances require different tools.
Questions to consider are what kind of playing do you do most often, what kind of tone quality/sound are you seeking, what are your physical characteristics, what is your level of skill and development as a player, what are your playing goals, etc?
That is why it is often recommended that a student work with a qualified trumpet teacher when it comes to choosing a horn and mouthpiece. There is no such thing as one piece of equipment that is inherently better than another; rather, it amounts to differences in playing goals and requirements more than anything else. The exception would be in the difference between student and professional levels of equipment - therein there are major differences in inherent design and performance...
The mouthpiece is more difficult to select than the instrument. Vincent Bach once said that the choice of mouthpiece presents most players with a greater challenge than the choice of instrument. I believe he was right. Again, this is why a private teacher can be a great asset for a student. Only after years of experience and trial and error do most players have the knowledge and experience to make really good equipment choices on their own, and without any expert advice.
Go to www.trumpetherald.com There you will find lots and lots of both current and archived information about trumpets and trumpet playing.
Good luck...
Questions to consider are what kind of playing do you do most often, what kind of tone quality/sound are you seeking, what are your physical characteristics, what is your level of skill and development as a player, what are your playing goals, etc?
That is why it is often recommended that a student work with a qualified trumpet teacher when it comes to choosing a horn and mouthpiece. There is no such thing as one piece of equipment that is inherently better than another; rather, it amounts to differences in playing goals and requirements more than anything else. The exception would be in the difference between student and professional levels of equipment - therein there are major differences in inherent design and performance...
The mouthpiece is more difficult to select than the instrument. Vincent Bach once said that the choice of mouthpiece presents most players with a greater challenge than the choice of instrument. I believe he was right. Again, this is why a private teacher can be a great asset for a student. Only after years of experience and trial and error do most players have the knowledge and experience to make really good equipment choices on their own, and without any expert advice.
Go to www.trumpetherald.com There you will find lots and lots of both current and archived information about trumpets and trumpet playing.
Good luck...
thetijuanataxi
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Hi Alicia,
I play a Burbank Benge 3X Plus made in 1962( the year that the Tijuana Brass was born). It is similar in quality to the Chicago Benge mentioned earlier, but made after Elden Benge moved his shop to Burbank, California My horn is also gold-plated, which I believe gives the horn a slightly warmer sound than silver plating.
In the past I have also owned a:
Los Angeles Benge 5X
Bach Stradivarius model 37
Kanstul Burbank 3* plus (A copy of the Benge)
Selmer Radial 2
Bundy student trumpet
I also played for about a year on a Buffet/Crampon trumpet in high school.
I like my Burbank Benge the best of all the horns I've played and understand why Herb chose Benge for his playing. The horn is very responsive and easily allows the player to stylize his or her sound and speak through the horn.
BTW, Tonni Kalash, the second trumpeter in the TJB, also palyed Benge.
David,
wishing we could all jam with each other..........
I play a Burbank Benge 3X Plus made in 1962( the year that the Tijuana Brass was born). It is similar in quality to the Chicago Benge mentioned earlier, but made after Elden Benge moved his shop to Burbank, California My horn is also gold-plated, which I believe gives the horn a slightly warmer sound than silver plating.
In the past I have also owned a:
Los Angeles Benge 5X
Bach Stradivarius model 37
Kanstul Burbank 3* plus (A copy of the Benge)
Selmer Radial 2
Bundy student trumpet
I also played for about a year on a Buffet/Crampon trumpet in high school.
I like my Burbank Benge the best of all the horns I've played and understand why Herb chose Benge for his playing. The horn is very responsive and easily allows the player to stylize his or her sound and speak through the horn.
BTW, Tonni Kalash, the second trumpeter in the TJB, also palyed Benge.
David,
wishing we could all jam with each other..........
bob
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hi I read your last post tijuana taxi, and I need to make a corection for you. you mention that toni kalash also played a benge, I remember when I met him and herb back stage here in Ohio at the blossom music center in 1969
which I got herb's autograph and toni told me he play a bach stradivarius
model 37.
bob papp
which I got herb's autograph and toni told me he play a bach stradivarius
model 37.
bob papp
thetijuanataxi
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Tonni may also have played a Bach Strad, but he was never to my knowledge pictured in public with it. All of the concert footage, tv appearances, album covers etc. clearly show him playing a Benge. In fact Both Herb and Tonni advertised Benge in 1969.
David,
setting the record straight, online...........
David,
setting the record straight, online...........
Captaindave
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Hi, Bob,
I attended both nights of the Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass concerts at Blossom Music Center back on Monday and Tuesday, August 5 and 6, 1968. They did a two night stand there - I was in the pavilion for the first night, and on the lawn for the second night.
By the way, those concerts were in 1968 - the TJB did not appear at Blossom in 1969. The TJB were among the line up of acts for the opening season of Blossom, which was in 1968. The only Northeast Ohio appearance they made in 1969 was at the Cleveland Public Auditorium on Monday, October 27, 1969.
Those Blossom concerts were really great, weren't they? I'll never forget those nights.
I attended both nights of the Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass concerts at Blossom Music Center back on Monday and Tuesday, August 5 and 6, 1968. They did a two night stand there - I was in the pavilion for the first night, and on the lawn for the second night.
By the way, those concerts were in 1968 - the TJB did not appear at Blossom in 1969. The TJB were among the line up of acts for the opening season of Blossom, which was in 1968. The only Northeast Ohio appearance they made in 1969 was at the Cleveland Public Auditorium on Monday, October 27, 1969.
Those Blossom concerts were really great, weren't they? I'll never forget those nights.
Alicia
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I think it was Tom that said he had an Ambassador Olds trumpet. Well, I looked at my trumpet when I came home yesterday... and it turns out that I have the same type. Do you know how much they usually run for? Mines also made from the same place as yours!
Thanks,
Alicia
P.S. Thanks again, you guys are helping me out a lot!
Thanks,
Alicia
P.S. Thanks again, you guys are helping me out a lot!
Captaindave
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Olds Ambassador trumpets are no longer in production, so the Ambassador cannot be purchased new.
As mentioned above, check out the website on Olds trumpets that I posted. You should be able to find price information for Ambassadors, and other Olds models. They are also frequently seen on eBay. That will give you an idea of prices.
As mentioned above, check out the website on Olds trumpets that I posted. You should be able to find price information for Ambassadors, and other Olds models. They are also frequently seen on eBay. That will give you an idea of prices.
bob
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captian dave
i thought is was 1969, well old age and memory is not like it use to be dave lol. as I shared with the people here my parents surprised me. we got there early so I got to see them rehearch first I saw herb coming in with his brown jacket and was carrying his trumpet in that cordoury bag
he sat down at the piano then I asked a girl if that was herb, which I knew.then herb came to the edge of the stage and I got his autograph.
then toni came on stage then he called me up and he sign his name. then we went outside in the back. herb took some slides of the scenery I guess
maybe they felt sorry for me, becasue I had a orange shirt with some holes. then after that I saw them rehearch so what's new and casino royale which was the instrumental track to the record. they did not play casino live but so what's new was. then we all left the evening performace
when they started to play zorba the greek, becasue it was raining hard
and my parents wanted to beat the traffic jam. and dave thanks for corecting the dates.
bob papp
i thought is was 1969, well old age and memory is not like it use to be dave lol. as I shared with the people here my parents surprised me. we got there early so I got to see them rehearch first I saw herb coming in with his brown jacket and was carrying his trumpet in that cordoury bag
he sat down at the piano then I asked a girl if that was herb, which I knew.then herb came to the edge of the stage and I got his autograph.
then toni came on stage then he called me up and he sign his name. then we went outside in the back. herb took some slides of the scenery I guess
maybe they felt sorry for me, becasue I had a orange shirt with some holes. then after that I saw them rehearch so what's new and casino royale which was the instrumental track to the record. they did not play casino live but so what's new was. then we all left the evening performace
when they started to play zorba the greek, becasue it was raining hard
and my parents wanted to beat the traffic jam. and dave thanks for corecting the dates.
bob papp
Hi, Alicia:
Looks like you are getting good advice on the Forum. I'm a trumpet player who started playing in the early 70's. I hadn't been playing the trumpet for too long before I started playing along with a Herb Alpert / TJB song, "All My Loving." Some how, I was able to keep up pretty well, and it caused me to develop a love for Herb Alpert & the TJB. I kept practicing by playing along with his songs.
To this day, I still play along with his albums. I pretty much have all of his songs memorized, especially those from the early years. Regarding his newer stuff, "Passion Dance" is my favorite to play along with.
In my early years, my main horn was a Bach Strad Model 37 (according to Bob in this Forum, Toni Kalash played a Strad). My Strad had a "trigger," which allows me to bend some notes a bit better, adding some texture to the songs.
I also have owned/played a Chicago Benge (the horn that Herb used for many years), as well as a Benge 3x. Currently, I play a Flip Oakes "Wild Thing," which is essentially a modifed Kanstul. Flip makes the best horn made, in my opinion. It is extremely focused, yet open, and caused my range to increase.
Also, I play the french horn (a "double" F-horn), flugelhorn (Kanstul ZKF-1525 copper bell), and cornet (Wild Thing with shephard).
I fully agree with the previous post(s) that talk about selecting a mouthpiece. This takes some work to get it right. The fact that you play the french horn (which I also play!) will have some impact, as the french horn mouthpieces are deeper and longer, more similar to the flugelhorn mouthpieces.
Many beginners/students used a size 7C mouthpiece, which is what I recommend as well for general playing.
Anyway, good luck in your playing, and welcome to the club! You should try playing along with some albums, including some light jazz albums. Herb's albums (of course) are best!
And finally, you might want to look at Flip Oakes' web site for some good tips on playing the trumpet. You certainly don't have to buy one of his horns, but his site is great. Plus, you should hear him play!!
http://www.flipoakes.com
My Best...
Dave Eden
Crofton, MD
Looks like you are getting good advice on the Forum. I'm a trumpet player who started playing in the early 70's. I hadn't been playing the trumpet for too long before I started playing along with a Herb Alpert / TJB song, "All My Loving." Some how, I was able to keep up pretty well, and it caused me to develop a love for Herb Alpert & the TJB. I kept practicing by playing along with his songs.
To this day, I still play along with his albums. I pretty much have all of his songs memorized, especially those from the early years. Regarding his newer stuff, "Passion Dance" is my favorite to play along with.
In my early years, my main horn was a Bach Strad Model 37 (according to Bob in this Forum, Toni Kalash played a Strad). My Strad had a "trigger," which allows me to bend some notes a bit better, adding some texture to the songs.
I also have owned/played a Chicago Benge (the horn that Herb used for many years), as well as a Benge 3x. Currently, I play a Flip Oakes "Wild Thing," which is essentially a modifed Kanstul. Flip makes the best horn made, in my opinion. It is extremely focused, yet open, and caused my range to increase.
Also, I play the french horn (a "double" F-horn), flugelhorn (Kanstul ZKF-1525 copper bell), and cornet (Wild Thing with shephard).
I fully agree with the previous post(s) that talk about selecting a mouthpiece. This takes some work to get it right. The fact that you play the french horn (which I also play!) will have some impact, as the french horn mouthpieces are deeper and longer, more similar to the flugelhorn mouthpieces.
Many beginners/students used a size 7C mouthpiece, which is what I recommend as well for general playing.
Anyway, good luck in your playing, and welcome to the club! You should try playing along with some albums, including some light jazz albums. Herb's albums (of course) are best!
And finally, you might want to look at Flip Oakes' web site for some good tips on playing the trumpet. You certainly don't have to buy one of his horns, but his site is great. Plus, you should hear him play!!
http://www.flipoakes.com
My Best...
Dave Eden
Crofton, MD
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