Not Herb?

[Mike Blakesley]

I'm surprised that no one has brought up the fact that, in the credits for DEFINITIVE HITS, it says: "All trumpets played by Herb Alpert except those heard in the orchestral sections of 'Casino Royale.'" Or something to that effect. That's good enough for me. (Should I lock this thread now?)

 

[Steven J. Gross]

I'm surprised that no one has brought up the fact that, in the credits for DEFINITIVE HITS, it says: "All trumpets played by Herb Alpert except those heard in the orchestral sections of 'Casino Royale.'" Or something to that effect. That's good enough for me. (Should I lock this thread now?)

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Harry]

Sadly, this link is no longer active; because of the death of its founder, the late Wendell Johnson...

Here's the relevant section from that Pat Senatore interview.

Wendell: What was it like working with Herb Alpert in the studio?

Pat: It was very relaxed. We would go in and put the rhythm section down first. Most the time we'd use the first take we did because it had the best feeling. But Herb would always do about three or four takes for insurance. But he would about 85% of the time use the first take.

Then he would put the trumpets on. Then fool around with it for weeks or months to get it like he wanted it. And he would maybe over dub other percussion instruments also.

Wendell: Herb supposedly played all the trumpet parts on the recordings. Did he ever let Tonni Kalash play on any of them?

Pat: Maybe, but very little. But mostly it was always him. What he would do to get that sound was that he would play the first trumpet then he would pull out the tuning slide of his trumpet a little and then play the second trumpet and that's how he got that mariachi sound.

And thanks Mike for bringing up the note in Definitive Hits. I was just about to do that.

Harry
...playing catch-up after vacation, online...

 

[Rudy]

I'm surprised that no one has brought up the fact that, in the credits for DEFINITIVE HITS, it says: "All trumpets played by Herb Alpert except those heard in the orchestral sections of 'Casino Royale.'"

Sounds more like the art or marketing department put that line in there, based on whatever "management" tells them to put in the notes. Whoever makes up those booklets doesn't have access to any session notes or musicians' union records to state otherwise. Doesn't anyone care that none of the session musicians used for the Definitive Hits weren't even mentioned in these booklet notes? Seems to be a bigger oversight, IMHO, than who played which trumpet part on whatever recording.

What I've read over the past few years about album credits, we're finding even those are known to be incorrect. Remember how Claudio Slon once clarified his contribution of playing on Jobim's Wave album? What about the Beach Boys, or the Monkees? Only in recent years have we been finding out who played on which recordings of theirs. Above all, we're going on 30-40 year old information, no matter who tells it to us. I don't lose sleep over it, that's for sure. If the finished product rocks, that's all that matters, I think.

 

[Mr Bill]

Lock this Chompy...

--Mr Bill

 

[Dave]

Lock this Chompy...

--Mr Bill

Looks like you gotta be more "Chompy" than that, mate...!

Guess it was/wasn't The TjB backing Chris Montez on his debut LP, but we won't get into that...

'ave

 

[Harry]

See www.members.aol.com/lanesong/HERBALPE.HTM. Click on "Pat Senatore Interview". (It's in two parts).

Sadly, this link is no longer active; because of the death of its founder, the late Wendell Johnson...

I thought that perhaps it was true that Wendell's pages were no longer active, but it turns out that the above link was incorrectly including the "www". The link to Page One of the Senatore interview is:

http://members.aol.com/jentertan/SenatoreOne.html

The main page is at:

http://members.aol.com/lanesong/HERBALPE.HTM

Harry
...pointing the way, online...

 

[Rudy]

Someone must be paying the AOL bill...or maybe they don't wipe out member pages after awhile?