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Again, proving tastes are varied... "Miss Frenchy Brown," "Lady Godiva" and "Treasure of San Miguel" are my three faves on this disc!
And I'm still dumbfounded that someone thought this obvious percussion sound was someone "singing" a "word." Ease up on the burnt umber, dude, and go with a color form the pink/red section of the box...
--Mr Bill
who finds the "shhh-Tock! to be rather catchy...
And I'm still dumbfounded that someone thought this obvious percussion sound was someone "singing" a "word." Ease up on the burnt umber, dude, and go with a color form the pink/red section of the box...
--Mr Bill
who finds the "shhh-Tock! to be rather catchy...
Dave
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OK, I don't mind the "Shh-Tock" anymore... (Thought it sounded more like a "Shh-Synck"...) 
Other songs, not necessarily "least favorites" but having "strange sounds" would be: "Cinco De Mayo", "Girl Talk"--with the Duane Eddyish guitar and I think I hear an oboe in the orchestartion--and the Fuh, Fuh, Fuh, Fuh-Fuh... of "Cabaret"...
Dave
...Getting ready for another "varied taste" debate...!
Other songs, not necessarily "least favorites" but having "strange sounds" would be: "Cinco De Mayo", "Girl Talk"--with the Duane Eddyish guitar and I think I hear an oboe in the orchestartion--and the Fuh, Fuh, Fuh, Fuh-Fuh... of "Cabaret"...
Dave
...Getting ready for another "varied taste" debate...!
At the risk of humoring you and getting lambasted by our cohorts for doing so...
Your EQ must be tweaked pretty strange if you're hearing "funny" "sounds" in any of theses tunes. "Fuh Fuh Fuh???" WTFO* are you talkng about?
--Mr Bill
*WTFO is not a station east of the ole Misisip'!!!
Your EQ must be tweaked pretty strange if you're hearing "funny" "sounds" in any of theses tunes. "Fuh Fuh Fuh???" WTFO* are you talkng about?
--Mr Bill
*WTFO is not a station east of the ole Misisip'!!!
...Let's see, oven set at 425º... 
nightcat
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The voting has been closed here, but I can't resist saying I would vote for ZORBA THE GREEK. I heard this tune maybe twice in my life and that was once too much. This track on my GOING PLACES lp and my GOING PLACES reel to reel and my GOING PLACES cd are virtually mint and unplayed. This was actually tied with TIJUANA SAUERKRAUT. But since KRAUT I believe was meant to be bad, and since ZORBA was actually popular, I just had to choose ZTG !
JO, this particular thread was inspired by another thread:
http://forum.amcorner.com/viewtopic.php?t=6383
Harry
http://forum.amcorner.com/viewtopic.php?t=6383
Harry
JOv2
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Harry -- Mucho thanks for the thread link. Hands down that two-week excursion into "least favourites" was the most fascinating (and entertaining) TjB-Corner thread I've read to date! Watching a knock-down/drag-out e-fight nearly unfold, among folks all on the same side, was something else again!
[Note to self: Re-read Possible New Poll: What Were They Thinking? before contemplating marriage.]
At the time, Mike B summed up the thread well: This thread was probably a confrontation waiting to happen....for every song someone hates, someone else will love it...and will go to the grave defending it.
My favourite thread quote: I won't respond to your questions since the answers I've given already don't seem to satisfy you.
Oh, my but this corner can get lively!!
[Note to self: Re-read Possible New Poll: What Were They Thinking? before contemplating marriage.]
At the time, Mike B summed up the thread well: This thread was probably a confrontation waiting to happen....for every song someone hates, someone else will love it...and will go to the grave defending it.
My favourite thread quote: I won't respond to your questions since the answers I've given already don't seem to satisfy you.
Oh, my but this corner can get lively!!
venturaguy49
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It's hard to dis TJB recordings, as even the 'lesser-lights' provide a vital contrast, and many of those that others have listed just happen to be *big* faves of mine, such as "Little Help From My Friends", which a friend of mine taped off of a tv show *before* 'Ninth' was issued, and yes, he played that over the phone... it was like "uhmmm, Chuck, would you?", and 'fore I knewwit, I was once again enjoying a recording that sent me *thoroughly* I enjoyed it that much! And I always got to hear it! Lucky me!
Other tracks, such as "Talk To The Animals" provide that contrast that I mentioned, so that "Slick" (hip and exciting as it is), comes across as even MORE impressive, following 'Animals'.
And items such as "T.J. Sauerkraut" add sooo nicely, and remember, that an 'inverted' version of that song became VERY popular, as Paul McCartney's "Mull Of Kintyre"...hmm in place of those bagpipes, Macca should use that 'ya ya ya yowwwwww'.
Hmmmm, I guess if I *had* to mention ONE 'Brass' recording that's kinda in the lower reaches of Herb's repertoire, it'd be "Milord", but then again, it takes that album(TJB Vol.2) out in a quirky manner, doesn't it?...it's noisy, raw, and in fact, almost *tacky*, but even so, there's an undeniable sense of 'fun'...Herb was prob'ly fortified with José Cuervo for THAT number
Warm Wishes,
your fav'rite hookahead, who's gotta revise my signature. I'm actually *54*(but going on 53)
Other tracks, such as "Talk To The Animals" provide that contrast that I mentioned, so that "Slick" (hip and exciting as it is), comes across as even MORE impressive, following 'Animals'.
And items such as "T.J. Sauerkraut" add sooo nicely, and remember, that an 'inverted' version of that song became VERY popular, as Paul McCartney's "Mull Of Kintyre"...hmm in place of those bagpipes, Macca should use that 'ya ya ya yowwwwww'.
Hmmmm, I guess if I *had* to mention ONE 'Brass' recording that's kinda in the lower reaches of Herb's repertoire, it'd be "Milord", but then again, it takes that album(TJB Vol.2) out in a quirky manner, doesn't it?...it's noisy, raw, and in fact, almost *tacky*, but even so, there's an undeniable sense of 'fun'...Herb was prob'ly fortified with José Cuervo for THAT number
Warm Wishes,
your fav'rite hookahead, who's gotta revise my signature. I'm actually *54*(but going on 53)
I skip over "And I Love Her", "Talk To The Animals", "With A Little Help From My Friends", "Close To You" and "Without Her".venturaguy49
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lol, and now I know where John Lennon got his 'shuk-tuck' on "Come Together" from 
Warm Wishes,
da hookahhead
Warm Wishes,
da hookahhead
venturaguy49
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hmmm ,wasn't that 'fuh fuh fuh fuh fuh' thing on "Cabaret" a trombone?
Dave
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venturaguy49 said:
Oh, no, that was me who quoted that...
Sorry, up until now, brass instruments weren't really my thing, and of course I have grown to appreciate ever "Fuh!", "Blat!" and "Wah!" a horn-instrument makes...
So ignore my description of how I described my least favorite being "Cabaret" and why, and concentrate more on how I still majorly dislike "Ms. Frenchy Brown" and "Zorba The Greek"...!!!
That said, my newly found appreciation for the Tijuana Brass is owed to what else, but finding that nearly-dozen, or so LP's Still-Sealed, though with it including Brass Are Comin', Coney Island, Summertime, and Just You And Me, I seem soooooo inclined to take up someone who's more into Herb than I, and it helps that his "horn" is not a Four-Valved Plastic Toy, on his Tempting Offer...
--Besides, I may need some "funding" to support adding my new-found favorite artist's works to my collection in the form of Still-Sealed wax with which besides going for double-digits had be ordered online... (And triple-digits for what seem to be, so far, cut-out rack-ready copies, which I have received seem like they are sure to follow...)
Dave
venturaguy49
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Well, Dave, I'll congratulate you on finding a new fave in the TJB, which was an immensely popular group during the mid to late 60s, and for that reason, their albums were manufactured by the zillions, and so you may wish to drop into thrift shops such as Goodwill or Salvation Army, and obtain these albums is reasonable conditions for MUCH less than what you're paying, and maybe locate a copy of Longines Symphonette Society's "Treasury of Herb Alpert and The Tijuana Brass"
which are the first four albums randomly programmed onto just as many disks, and if you are REAL lucky, the bonus disk of stuff by the Baja Marimba Band will be included.
The main photo is taken from the front cover of "South Of The Border", and hey! while I'm at it, I'll ask if anyone here knows just where that photo was taken. There are no movie studio credits, so it just had to be an actual location is Mexico or Spain,
and the cover from "What Now My Love" is also from the same photo-shoot.
Or it seems to be. Nextly, just where was that intricate depiction of(presumably a Spanish town) for 'Vol. 2's front cover taken? Is that a genuine cathedral, and surrounding area, or a composite of several. Also, Dave, try to find one of ORIGINAL copies of that album, which feature an entirely DIFFERENT back cover, which is a takeoff on "Lonely Bull", which the album's title running down the center.
as in the debut disk. What you now have is basically a re-issue from '66, with a total 'redo' of the graphics. I paid only about $2.00 for mine from a thrift shop Yeah, thrift shops can be groovy!
And, speaking of cathedrals, I'll mention a guy named Don Justo and HIS self-made 'catedral' in Spain...you've just GOTTA see this one, and then imagine Justo's creation gracing Vol. 2, in place of the familar one.
So check it out, Dave(and all), and you'll surely be treated to a most intriguing sight, and remember, since '62, Justo's been working on that thing, so whatever memories that you have, think from '62 on, Don Justo has secretly been in the background, doing his thing non-stop, and widd@ I'd bid you a pleasant one
Warm Wishes,
de hookahhead, whose brain must, by now, be irreversibly damaged by all that 'magma-in-a-jar'...the hot sauce that I love
which are the first four albums randomly programmed onto just as many disks, and if you are REAL lucky, the bonus disk of stuff by the Baja Marimba Band will be included.
The main photo is taken from the front cover of "South Of The Border", and hey! while I'm at it, I'll ask if anyone here knows just where that photo was taken. There are no movie studio credits, so it just had to be an actual location is Mexico or Spain,
and the cover from "What Now My Love" is also from the same photo-shoot.
Or it seems to be. Nextly, just where was that intricate depiction of(presumably a Spanish town) for 'Vol. 2's front cover taken? Is that a genuine cathedral, and surrounding area, or a composite of several. Also, Dave, try to find one of ORIGINAL copies of that album, which feature an entirely DIFFERENT back cover, which is a takeoff on "Lonely Bull", which the album's title running down the center.
as in the debut disk. What you now have is basically a re-issue from '66, with a total 'redo' of the graphics. I paid only about $2.00 for mine from a thrift shop Yeah, thrift shops can be groovy!
And, speaking of cathedrals, I'll mention a guy named Don Justo and HIS self-made 'catedral' in Spain...you've just GOTTA see this one, and then imagine Justo's creation gracing Vol. 2, in place of the familar one.
So check it out, Dave(and all), and you'll surely be treated to a most intriguing sight, and remember, since '62, Justo's been working on that thing, so whatever memories that you have, think from '62 on, Don Justo has secretly been in the background, doing his thing non-stop, and widd@ I'd bid you a pleasant one
Warm Wishes,
de hookahhead, whose brain must, by now, be irreversibly damaged by all that 'magma-in-a-jar'...the hot sauce that I love
Dave
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venturaguy49 said:
venturaguy49 said:...So check it out, Dave(and all), and you'll surely be treated to a most intriguing sight, and remember, since '62, Justo's been working on that thing, so whatever memories that you have, think from '62 on, Don Justo has secretly been in the background, doing his thing non-stop, and widd@ I'd bid you a pleasant one
Warm Wishes,
de hookahhead, whose brain must, by now, be irreversibly damaged by all that 'magma-in-a-jar'...the hot sauce that I love...!
Dave
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While it's true that there are certain 'lesser-lights' on TJB albums, as with anyone's productions, very often, it's those pieces that add atmosphere to the works. One that I just 
is "Miss Frenchy Brown"; here you have this piece that manages to be both corny and hip, and that's not easy to do, and it neatly bridges the jaunty "Treasure of San..." and "Casino Royale" THAT is a most impressive feat 
! Other items, such as "Lemon Tree" similarly tie two items("Bittersweet..." and "Whipped Cream" together. So wo, it's not just the strong tunes that make an album enjoyable, but it's those neatly-placed minor gems that provide for a more interesting album. And then there are those that only the TJB could pull off, namely the 'show' tunes, such as "Hello Dolly!", "Mame", "Cabaret" and such that are given a chic treatment. Yes, they were 'radio hits', but they had also the disadvantage of also being 'novelty' songs. What Herb did was to take a thing such as "Mame", and transform it to such a happy-go-lucky delight, that it's enjoyable in a way that the original couldn't achieve. Somehow, show tunes, when given the Alpert Touch, emerged with a durability that the originals could never match, but then again, that's just my personal take. The beauty of the TJB, was that it was this fabulous medium that could absorb practically ANY genre, from EZ to Rock, R&B...it's like those liner notes to "Lonely Bull" stated, that this was 'Tijuana' music in all it's aspects, which meant that TJB was free play anything After all, Tijuana Mexico was that town on the US/Mexico border that musicians from both sides got together to play, and so they DID use 'some' Mariachi, but also Jazz, Rock, R&B...you name it, and it was part of 'T.J. in all it's aspects', and eventually that would become Funk(such as "Rise". How many other musical formats can we think of that have been so all-inclusive? For me, it takes a whole lot to justify skipping a song from a well-planned album, and thusfar, only to items on Alpert productions warrent being dissed: "The Factory", which one 'Corner' member astutely identified as prime candidate for Halloween music And "Besamé Mucho"(as featured on "Magic Man", simply because it meanders around too much.
Warm Wishes,
that hookahhead, who will admit to having favorite Alpert albums, tho'.
Least fave: North of South St.
But, for kids in poor neighborhoods, having an example of trumpet playing, presented ala 'Hip-Hop', was a cool move. Maybe a couple of 'em will also take interest in other Alpert productions, and other trumpeters, and who knows, maybe they'll become someone that WE'LL enjoy!
is "Miss Frenchy Brown"; here you have this piece that manages to be both corny and hip, and that's not easy to do, and it neatly bridges the jaunty "Treasure of San..." and "Casino Royale" THAT is a most impressive feat ! Other items, such as "Lemon Tree" similarly tie two items("Bittersweet..." and "Whipped Cream" together. So wo, it's not just the strong tunes that make an album enjoyable, but it's those neatly-placed minor gems that provide for a more interesting album. And then there are those that only the TJB could pull off, namely the 'show' tunes, such as "Hello Dolly!", "Mame", "Cabaret" and such that are given a chic treatment. Yes, they were 'radio hits', but they had also the disadvantage of also being 'novelty' songs. What Herb did was to take a thing such as "Mame", and transform it to such a happy-go-lucky delight, that it's enjoyable in a way that the original couldn't achieve. Somehow, show tunes, when given the Alpert Touch, emerged with a durability that the originals could never match, but then again, that's just my personal take. The beauty of the TJB, was that it was this fabulous medium that could absorb practically ANY genre, from EZ to Rock, R&B...it's like those liner notes to "Lonely Bull" stated, that this was 'Tijuana' music in all it's aspects, which meant that TJB was free play anything After all, Tijuana Mexico was that town on the US/Mexico border that musicians from both sides got together to play, and so they DID use 'some' Mariachi, but also Jazz, Rock, R&B...you name it, and it was part of 'T.J. in all it's aspects', and eventually that would become Funk(such as "Rise". How many other musical formats can we think of that have been so all-inclusive? For me, it takes a whole lot to justify skipping a song from a well-planned album, and thusfar, only to items on Alpert productions warrent being dissed: "The Factory", which one 'Corner' member astutely identified as prime candidate for Halloween music And "Besamé Mucho"(as featured on "Magic Man", simply because it meanders around too much. Warm Wishes,
that hookahhead, who will admit to having favorite Alpert albums, tho'.
Least fave: North of South St.
But, for kids in poor neighborhoods, having an example of trumpet playing, presented ala 'Hip-Hop', was a cool move. Maybe a couple of 'em will also take interest in other Alpert productions, and other trumpeters, and who knows, maybe they'll become someone that WE'LL enjoy!
I know this poll's closed as I found it belatedly.
"Talk to the Animals" would have been my choice, even though I don't necessarily ALWAYS skip it. I'd never heard all the lyrics prior to the TJB cover, and they are clever indeed, and Julius does his usual meisterwerk on xylophone.
NOW: Why ON EARTH is "Hurt So Bad" even included on this list?
Not surprised that it received no votes. I think it really GROOVES, and is far too SHORT in length, if anything! 
To me, it always represented the epitome of the "mature" TJB sound, where Herb is pretty much dispensed with any Mexican/Ameriachi motifs and gone with an all-out jazz/rock feel with indelible Herb flourishes and signature Edmondson/Pisano touches. Never believed that Nick was the drummer on that one, though, and I'm guessing that some of the original TJB members were not present for the Summertime sessions.
While we're talking about skipped tracks, for me, Herb's cover of "More" on V2 often gets the unfortunate treatment, though it, too, typical of Herb's musical mind, is a dense and complex studio arrangement.
"Talk to the Animals" would have been my choice, even though I don't necessarily ALWAYS skip it. I'd never heard all the lyrics prior to the TJB cover, and they are clever indeed, and Julius does his usual meisterwerk on xylophone.
NOW: Why ON EARTH is "Hurt So Bad" even included on this list?
Not surprised that it received no votes. I think it really GROOVES, and is far too SHORT in length, if anything! To me, it always represented the epitome of the "mature" TJB sound, where Herb is pretty much dispensed with any Mexican/Ameriachi motifs and gone with an all-out jazz/rock feel with indelible Herb flourishes and signature Edmondson/Pisano touches. Never believed that Nick was the drummer on that one, though, and I'm guessing that some of the original TJB members were not present for the Summertime sessions.While we're talking about skipped tracks, for me, Herb's cover of "More" on V2 often gets the unfortunate treatment, though it, too, typical of Herb's musical mind, is a dense and complex studio arrangement.
venturaguy49
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what, to me, is amongst the BEST early TJB recordings is "More". It is played superbly, and that arrangement? It's second-to-none! I really dig that way the 'middle eight' (bridge) is played, with Bob Edmondson's trombone neatly playing final two measures
(which, in the lyrics, would be "waking, sleeping, laughing, weeping".
Oh! and notice one other thing, and that's the wordless singers provide an effect that is sooo similar to vocalizations on the TJB's 'Christmas' album. Hmmm, maybe Shorty Rogers provided the vocal arrangements for Vol.2. Now, as for the other item that were mentioned, I too favor "Animals" for a particular reason(apart from the fact that it's a terrific piece for children(and young-at-heart adults), as the contrast between 'Animals' and "Slick" is like night and day. By allowing 'Animals' to play through, and flipping the vinyl over, or just letting the cd play, you have the coolest back-to-back effect imaginable. Herb chose wisely to have that closer on side one precede the opener of side 2. The effect is well-worth leaving 'Animal' in place.
Now, as for the final item("Hurts So Bad") is just plain chic. It's a fine example of the TJB's mid to late sixties' style...it's that 'liquid' effect that some refer to that seemingly began with "S.R.O"(which I regard as the 'Brass' finest-ever album).
Ah, there is soooo much to enjoy with music from Herb Alpert and The Tijuana Brass, and this much can be said for them, and that's they never put out a bad album. Yes, some are more engaging than are others, but overall, every TJB issue is a pleasure to revisit, from that 'group' that didn't necessarily consist of the 'concert TJB'(the players that we accredited on album covers), but VERY early on, a contingent of 'regulars' did get together, such as trombonist Edmondson(mostly heard on Vol 2, but once previously on "Strutting With Maria", from the debut album. With Bob were Julius Wechter, on kazoo as usual...j.k., and Ervan 'Bud' Coleman on fingerboards(incl. mandolin and banjo).
But what I'd REALLY love to hear, would be a taping of the group's '73 live dates at the Crescendo Club, and a chance to hear stuff from their first 2 albums, AND...and maybe early workings of material that wended it's way onto albums.
Perhaps a *very* pre-TJB Ninth version of "My Heart Belongs To Daddy".
I'll leave you with a suggestion to drop into Youtube, and listed to the "Tijuana Brass" medley. It consists of 6 or so items as played by Herb with a nifty salsa band, and widd@ I'll bid y'all a nice one
Warm Wishes, hookahhead, connoisseur of hot sauce(that great stuff that makes Mex dishes special. It just can't be proper Mex without that hookah :goofygrin: [/i]
(which, in the lyrics, would be "waking, sleeping, laughing, weeping".
Oh! and notice one other thing, and that's the wordless singers provide an effect that is sooo similar to vocalizations on the TJB's 'Christmas' album. Hmmm, maybe Shorty Rogers provided the vocal arrangements for Vol.2. Now, as for the other item that were mentioned, I too favor "Animals" for a particular reason(apart from the fact that it's a terrific piece for children(and young-at-heart adults), as the contrast between 'Animals' and "Slick" is like night and day. By allowing 'Animals' to play through, and flipping the vinyl over, or just letting the cd play, you have the coolest back-to-back effect imaginable. Herb chose wisely to have that closer on side one precede the opener of side 2. The effect is well-worth leaving 'Animal' in place.
Now, as for the final item("Hurts So Bad") is just plain chic. It's a fine example of the TJB's mid to late sixties' style...it's that 'liquid' effect that some refer to that seemingly began with "S.R.O"(which I regard as the 'Brass' finest-ever album).
Ah, there is soooo much to enjoy with music from Herb Alpert and The Tijuana Brass, and this much can be said for them, and that's they never put out a bad album. Yes, some are more engaging than are others, but overall, every TJB issue is a pleasure to revisit, from that 'group' that didn't necessarily consist of the 'concert TJB'(the players that we accredited on album covers), but VERY early on, a contingent of 'regulars' did get together, such as trombonist Edmondson(mostly heard on Vol 2, but once previously on "Strutting With Maria", from the debut album. With Bob were Julius Wechter, on kazoo as usual...j.k., and Ervan 'Bud' Coleman on fingerboards(incl. mandolin and banjo).
But what I'd REALLY love to hear, would be a taping of the group's '73 live dates at the Crescendo Club, and a chance to hear stuff from their first 2 albums, AND...and maybe early workings of material that wended it's way onto albums.
Perhaps a *very* pre-TJB Ninth version of "My Heart Belongs To Daddy".
I'll leave you with a suggestion to drop into Youtube, and listed to the "Tijuana Brass" medley. It consists of 6 or so items as played by Herb with a nifty salsa band, and widd@ I'll bid y'all a nice one
Warm Wishes, hookahhead, connoisseur of hot sauce(that great stuff that makes Mex dishes special. It just can't be proper Mex without that hookah :goofygrin: [/i]
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