It all depends how you choose to define the word 'rock'.....it's incredibly subjective, kind of goofy, VERY elitist, and ultimately pointless. The IF I WERE A CARPENTER album is probably the Carpenters' best claim and connection to being in with this particular in-crowd, since they were never able to do Rick Rubin-type projects. I have all these friends who try to get Toto nominated every year and always come up short, because those guys are (gasp) studio musicians, incredibly versatile, and very musical. Whatever Toto's musical legacy may or may not be doesn't even matter - it's the image; they're not 'unwashed' or edgy enough. Yet most every year a one or two-hit doo-wop group gets in the hall. Donna won a Grammy for Rock vocal, but was never hip enough for the party till now and is now only hip enough to be a bridesmaid every year. Whatever.......!