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The Academy is very elegant - I've been there - unfortunately it wasn't to see the Carpenters - but I could have been because I was within range - what the hell else was I doing that was so damn important? Can't imagine...Philadelphia's Academy Of Music is far from "dreadful", but they were forced to add late-night shows when they performed there. They were so popular that the first show sold out very quickly, leaving a lot of disappointed fans. I know, I was one of them. And they gave their all in that second show, that's for sure.
I wondered the exact same thing.Question regarding the details on the recording of “Sing”….
The book quotes Richard as saying that the children’s choir wasn’t working out and they knew they couldn’t use them so Karen sang like a kid in her higher voice instead. I’m confused by this because my ears hear a children’s choir in the song, not an adult pretending to be children. Can someone clarify this explanation? Thanks!
Karen is very much heard, double-tracked, over the top in a very straight, kid-like kind of voice. I'll see if I can find an alternate mix or stem grouping from the SACD that will more clearly demonstrate this!I wondered the exact same thing.
On a lot of these, Ray recorded the tracks, and Roger and Dave did the mix.Chris May wrote: "...this was the problem with everything from Hush on through Portrait."
("this was the problem" refers to Ray Gerhardt's hearing loss).
Now, the song I Believe You was engineered by Ray Gerhardt,
yet, Christmas Portrait has three credited engineers: "... by Ray Gerhardt, Roger Young and Dave Iveland."
Any thoughts ?
Over the top, not totally replacing the children’s choir. Is that what you are saying? She did the overdubbing over the choir?Karen is very much heard, double-tracked, over the top in a very straight, kid-like kind of voice. I'll see if I can find an alternate mix or stem grouping from the SACD that will more clearly demonstrate this!
I've created a sample that will help identify a little better. The most obvious is every time they get to the end of the "...la la la la-la-la laaaaa"s. She double tracked her voice singing perfect unison, in a "kiddie" type voice throughout the entire choir track.
Listen to Karen drop into the note the way she so famously does:
They were just terribly out of tune. It works to a point—especially with children, but there wasn’t enough carrying of the melody when singing by themselves.Ok, now I hear it clearly and understand it clearly. Not some hidden talent that she can sound like an entire children’s choir, but that she overdubbed them to fill in. I’m guessing then that in the book Richard is saying the kids couldn’t handle the doubling of themselves (forgive my ignorance on the terminology) so Karen handled that. Thanks!!
I've created a sample that will help identify a little better. The most obvious is every time they get to the end of the "...la la la la-la-la laaaaa"s. She double tracked her voice singing perfect unison, in a "kiddie" type voice throughout the entire choir track.
Listen to Karen drop into the note the way she so famously does:
I've created a sample that will help identify a little better. The most obvious is every time they get to the end of the "...la la la la-la-la laaaaa"s. She double tracked her voice singing perfect unison, in a "kiddie" type voice throughout the entire choir track.
Listen to Karen drop into the note the way she so famously does:
I agree fully - she had some sterling chops - definitely much more than good enough for anything they ever recorded, and highly impressive to 99.99% of their fans...but apparently several people very close to her personally and professionally with unreasonable and stratospheric standards didn't think so...too bad she didn't insist on doing all the drumming or tell them where they could insert her drumsticks......Plus her fantastic drumming! There's jazz, rock, bossa nova, country and straight pop throughout the album and she nails it all. She was something else.
I agree fully - she had some sterling chops - definitely much more than good enough for anything they ever recorded, and highly impressive to 99.99% of their fans...but apparently several people very close to her personally and professionally with unreasonable and stratospheric standards didn't think so...too bad she didn't insist on doing all the drumming or tell them where they could insert her drumsticks...
Me too. Chris & Mike, we know that Richard often seems to prefer talking about the early days but ... wondering if he had much to say about the later years and, in particular, the Argentina and Calling Occupants sessions?hi guys
i ve just loved the musical legacy book....Chris and Mike really did a marvelous work indeed. I Wonder if there are puctures of the recording session of don t cry for me argentina......
see ya
luis