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stolf said:found a dis group called spectropop from late 90's where
carol kaye sez ollie mitchell told her he recorded ALL
herb's trumpet solos...."all, from the lonely bull on"...
doesn't sound kosher to me...anybody know what's up?
---stolf---
stolf said:found a dis group called spectropop from late 90's where
carol kaye sez ollie mitchell told her he recorded ALL
herb's trumpet solos...."all, from the lonely bull on"...
doesn't sound kosher to me...anybody know what's up?
---stolf---
Greg Shannon said:Ollie also wrote all of Shakespeare's plays . . .
Greg Shannon
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stolf said:
Mr Bill said:Let's also remember that Herb would record all the instruments first and then add his trumpet part(s) after. So maybe Ollie saw he was the only trumpet player in those sessions, not realizing that Herb would overdub his (Herb's) own trumpet parts after the studio guys were likely at home for the day. Along the same lines, Herb may have even had Ollie lay a solo simply for reference purposes, to make the later overdub easier to "match up."
Captain Bacardi said:We're also getting this as second- and third-hand information. It also seems that if this claim were...true... this probably would've come out...in the 60's instead of 40 years later...tends to sound...like sour grapes IMHO.
Capt. Bacardi
I recorded for Herb Alpert who formed A&M after he left
Bumps Blackwell and all at Keen Records (where I first met
Herb late 50s and even played a bar mitzvah with him in a
"jazz" band about 1958.....more on that later).
He was a very nice aware person, sort of upper
middle-class I think. He played some nice trumpet, nothing
too special. That's mostly Ollie Mitchell who did the Herb
Alpert solos on recordings. The "vibe", Jamie, was always
very NICE...Herb Alpert was just terrific in producing,
had great ideas, and treated the musicians with great
respect, was great to work for. His forte was in producing,
and creating music styles I tho't.
A&M later bought the former Chaplin studios, had engineer
Larry Levine update and design the two big studios and
rooms, and that became "A&M Records" but Herb exclusively
recorded at Gold Star Records for his first batch of big
hit in the 60s. Then we all recorded at A&M fine studios
and the dates were always very pleasant.
Rudy said:Another bit from Spectropop, Carol Kaye again:
I recorded for Herb Alpert who formed A&M after he left
Bumps Blackwell and all at Keen Records (where I first met
Herb late 50s and even played a bar mitzvah with him in a
"jazz" band about 1958.....more on that later).
He was a very nice aware person, sort of upper
middle-class I think. He played some nice trumpet, nothing
too special. That's mostly Ollie Mitchell who did the Herb
Alpert solos on recordings. The "vibe", Jamie, was always
very NICE...Herb Alpert was just terrific in producing,
had great ideas, and treated the musicians with great
respect, was great to work for. His forte was in producing,
and creating music styles I tho't.
A&M later bought the former Chaplin studios, had engineer
Larry Levine update and design the two big studios and
rooms, and that became "A&M Records" but Herb exclusively
recorded at Gold Star Records for his first batch of big
hit in the 60s. Then we all recorded at A&M fine studios
and the dates were always very pleasant.
DAN BOLTON said:Well, I guess that settles that...it's kinda like finding out that there's no Santa Claus, though. I wonder about some other albums, like Lucille Starr's, and some of those Waylon Jennings cuts...did Ollie do those, as well? If he didn't, he sure had Herb's style and technique down on the things he DID adlib on...
Rudy said:DAN BOLTON said:Well, I guess that settles that...it's kinda like finding out that there's no Santa Claus, though. I wonder about some other albums, like Lucille Starr's, and some of those Waylon Jennings cuts...did Ollie do those, as well? If he didn't, he sure had Herb's style and technique down on the things he DID adlib on...
I think if it was an improvised solo, it sounds like he had Ollie Mitchell cut those parts for him. As for a trumpet accompaniment on other tracks, though, there's no reason he would have called in someone for what was essentially just "ear candy." Although one could argue that when the TJB was busy touring a couple years later, a Herb-alike could have been called in to record those trumpet parts.
I think it would be different if we all found out that Herb didn't play one single note on any of his albums, but basically what's being said is that the improvised solos were Ollie's. And I can buy that.