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I Believe You. No promotion

Discussion in 'A Song For You: The Carpenters Forum' started by adam, Jun 8, 2014.

  1. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Speaking of Abba songs, and Carpenters, how about the song: My Love, My Life (from LP Arrival, 1976 ).
    I can hear Karen and Richard doing this great song, Or, Our Last Summer (LP Super Trouper 1980).
    Benny Andersson, in an interview on foreign Television, stated that he thought Karen Carpenter was underrated as
    a singer and was one of his favorite vocalists. He was quite proud to be a fan of Carpenters, as was evident in the interview.
     
  2. newvillefan

    newvillefan Well-Known Member

    I suppose we're spoiled given the perfect version that ABBA produced and with Agnetha's stunning lead vocal, but I think this version is horrible. Sterile, synth-driven and very dated listening to it now. As Richard said "no one does ABBA like ABBA".
     
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  3. Chris Mills

    Chris Mills Well-Known Member

    Agnetha is a huge fan of Carpenters, and was the guest of Ken Bruce on BBC Radio 2 for a slot called "Tracks Of My Years", and chose a Carpenters song. Agnetha remarked what an incredible unique sound they have. That is something Karen would have been very proud of.
     
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  4. ullalume

    ullalume Well-Known Member

    Yeah, the mid-late '80s weren't good for Richard. He's stated himself that he regrets pretty much any record where he used synths. . .well that pretty much wipes out everything on Time, Veronique, Akiko, Grimes. Thank God he got back on form with his arrangements for "Feeling" and then his work on Nowhere Man/Yesterday Behind/Dreamin'.
     
  5. BarryT60

    BarryT60 Well-Known Member

    I'd have opted out of the little girl altogether. :wink:

    I believe you - when you say you'll fill my body with your soul, and that together, we'll make music that will last beyond our lifetime... Baby I believe you....
     
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  6. ThaFunkyFakeTation

    ThaFunkyFakeTation Ah am so steel een luv weeth yoo

    I'm okay with the "little girl" thought and think "brown-eyed" works brilliantly. It gets the thought across and loses the awkward "freckled" nonsense. It doesn't even "meter" well so I don't know why the savvy Addrisi brothers even went down that road.

    Ed
     
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  7. adam

    adam Active Member Thread Starter

    A nice Album cut but hardly single material for 1978
     
  8. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Ed raises a very good point, this song doesn't even "meter" well.
    I am simply perplexed at its choice for a single in late 1978,
    not to mention misgivings regarding the arrangement.
    And, the initial vocal overdubs do not seem to 'mesh' well.....does any one else here that ??(at 30,60, 3:38 sec...then, better overdubs at 2 m and 3:23 min)
    A plodding start (13 seconds of instrumentation) sets the tone.
    I do really like Karen's vocals, the drums, the harp.



    I believe you
    When you say that you will reach into the sky
    And steal a star so you can put it on my finger
    I believe you
    Baby, I believe you.
    I believe you
    When you say that every time that we make love
    Will be the first time we've made love
    And every act of love will please you
    Baby, I believe you.

    Blind faith makes me follow you
    I'd live in a cave if you wanted to
    Just ask me and I'll marry you
    You don't have to sell me
    'Cause you overwhelm me
    I've made up my mind for a lifetime.

    I believe you
    When you swear your love will keep on growin' strong
    And that forever isn't long enough to love me like you need to
    Baby, I believe you
    Baby, I believe you
    Honey, I love you.

    Blind faith makes me follow you
    I'd live in a cave if you wanted to
    Just ask me and I'll marry you
    You don't have to sell me
    'Cause you overwhelm me
    I've made up my mind for a lifetime.

    I believe you
    When you say you'll fill my body with your soul
    And love will grow into a freckled little girl
    Who looks like we do
    Baby, I believe you
    Baby, I believe you
    Honey, I love you.
     
  9. Gary, you need to listen to "I Believe You" from the SACD - IN FULL SACD SURROUND (not the CD layer) - to hear the song in a new light. First off, those "non-meshing overdubs" you bring up are all augmented with Karen's LEAD vocal joining in on the "oooh-oooh's" making them much better.

    Second, you get a taste of an alternate vocal take with slightly different lyrics.

    One other point here - you've made mention of the fact that Richard has NEVER EVER remixed any tracks from MADE IN AMERICA, yet here is one example where he actually did.

    Harry
     
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  10. song4u

    song4u Well-Known Member

    Harry, do you know if this version of I Believe You is available to listen to on the Internet? I can't seem to find these special versions but maybe I'm not searching properly.
     
  11. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Thanks very much, Harry.
    Not only am I anticipating 'hearing' the SACD version of the song,
    (I do have the SACD,though not the player--yet !)
    but,
    I also stand corrected , regarding this song as a remix
    of a song taken from Made In America.
    (My use of "Never " regarding remixes is never a proper choice of words !)
    I have been really listening to this song , intently, lately.
    And, as I intimated, Karen's vocals are lovely--no two ways about that--
    it is an interesting song to digest !
    And, the SACD version will most certainly 'win me over'. !
     
  12. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Song4u,
    this might be close (obviously, I can not verify):
     
  13. song4u

    song4u Well-Known Member

    Ok, I've heard this one. Thanks. Beautiful.
     
  14. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    This song is growing on me. Of course, with that voice.....
    No longer on the 'automatic skip' button....
    That being said,
    Man Smart, Woman Smarter and Druscilla Penny
    are the only two songs remaining 'on automatic skip'.
    One day, they, too, will be in good graces with my ears !
     
  15. Here's my 2-channel downmix with more of a whole-song feel. Here you can hear the overdubs:



    Harry
     
  16. song4u

    song4u Well-Known Member

    Thanks. Kind of a schmaltzy song, but oh, that voice. :phones:
     
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  17. GaryAlan

    GaryAlan Well-Known Member

    Thanks for that, Harry.
    Much appreciated.
    Interesting,
    and, I wonder,
    do alternative vocal takes exist
    for all Carpenters' songs ?
    And, if they do--or, not--how
    would such ever be known about,
    if never released or acknowledged
    by Richard Carpenter ?
     
  18. An alternate vocal take probably exists for many songs. Master tapes are filled with "Take 1" and "Take 2" and "Take 3" and more. Of course we're dealing with Karen Carpenter who often nailed a song in one take, so there AREN'T any other takes. But surely there are a bunch out there that Richard has kept in the vault.

    If you've ever heard THE BEATLES ANTHOLOGY discs - they're full of early demo and alternate takes of familiar songs. The problem for Beatles fans with that release is that the compilers often edited two or more takes together to come out with a cohesive song.

    Harry
     
  19. BarryT60

    BarryT60 Well-Known Member

    I think I was drunk when I wrote this.... :) oh well...... :) :) :)
     
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  20. Friends don't let friends post drunk.
     
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  21. BarryT60

    BarryT60 Well-Known Member

    I like this song... Which lyrics are different?? As I have stated here and many times before and surely in the here-after, I wish that last bit about the freckled girl was out - and possibly we'd get a 'Baby, I love you" vs. the honey... but other than that, I think its a lovely song...
     
  22. BarryT60

    BarryT60 Well-Known Member

    Hmmmm - Le' me think about that one.... the "ask me and I'll marry you" and the "freckled little girl" thing, to me - isolates the song... certainly more then than now - but it isolates the song to potential people who will marry and have children / and don't mind girls with freckles! :)

    As a single guy / with absolutely zero aspirations to get married in the fall of 1978 - - I couldn't drive down the road in my dad's old '72 Caddy, and sing along to that line of the lyric - like I believed it....

    The rest of the song, so passionate and so lovely - was an open ended love letter to anyone... until ... that is... / one starts having snotty nosed freckled little kids pulling at your apron strings! (says the guy who later happily had three boys...)

    That may be extreme - but there in lies the crux of the lyric issue with yours truly...
     
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  23. ThaFunkyFakeTation

    ThaFunkyFakeTation Ah am so steel een luv weeth yoo

    I have this disc and the surround mix is really nice. It also proves what I thought: Karen's doing all the backgrounds. I don't hear Richard anywhere in the "ooh's" or anything else. As I said earlier in the thread, Paul Riser's arrangement is just fantastic. I still abhor the "freckled" line because it just "meters" funny. In fact, I dislike the whole line. "Fill my body with your soul". LOL!! Oh my. The Addrisi boys would have done well to re-think that entire line before letting it get out. Lyrically, the rest of the tune is darned good with lots of "money lines" and the melody is really nice too.

    I'm also not big on Richard's decision to choose different vocal "takes" for small parts of this. The performance as originally released is excellent. Further, it feels like a complete "take". His alterations destroy that feel. The changed lyrics add nothing either - at least not to me. Worse, the "looks like we do" goes flat! What was he thinking using that "take"?

    Ed
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2015
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  24. ThaFunkyFakeTation

    ThaFunkyFakeTation Ah am so steel een luv weeth yoo

    The bass doesn't move an inch in the verses. LOL! I never noticed that. It also makes her "forever isn't long enough to love ME...like you need to" really shine. That's the best line of the tune. It's moments like that one that remind how amazing her voice really was. No female singer pitched notes like her and her phrasing is impeccable.

    Ed
     

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